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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 17 2016 3:56 PM

Can you put in a feature that will automatically pronounce a word in English for you or spell it out phonetically so that a person sitting in a circle at Bible study can make use of it quickly, effectively, and maybe even silently so as not to embarrass themselves.

...sorry but for me this is basic functionality sadly missing for years.  Factbook tries to help but is not that easy to use.  Someone need to give real thought to basic functions for Bible Study attendees and turn Logos into something that everyone wants to use beside seminarians and pastors doing a word study that in the end (sorry) no one will care about maybe (so I have been told anyway).

Revamp and call it easy mode and then make some basic Bible study easy please?  Logos will sell like hotcakes then...seriously.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2016 4:05 PM

Some base packages come with That's Easy for You to Say: Your Quick Guide to Pronouncing Bible Names.

If you prioritize that resource in your library (above the dictionaries), you can easily access pronunciations for most names.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2016 6:57 AM

One of the tricks that I've learned over the years is that proper nouns in the Bible are not always pronounced as in English. Why? Simply because the place names and proper names are not English names, but rather a transliteration attempt in trying to help in pronunciation for those of us who do not speak the original languages. Many Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias, etc., assign pronunciation according to English rules, but that's an argument for another time and another place.

So, the trick has three parts:

(1) Pronounce every letter. Every time.  The letter "i" is pronounced as a long 'E.'

(2) Unless otherwise indicated, every vowel is short. One of the exceptions is Chedorlaomer. We can say it properly as "kedorla'omer," giving the second 'o' a long sound. Another exception is in the New Testament in Acts 8:40 where Philip suddenly finds himself in Azotus (formerly Ashdod). The Greek has a long "o" so we should keep it, too. (This is the main reason transliteration is not helpful!)

(3) Whenever a "ch" appears, give it a "k" sound in both testaments. For instance, Melchizedek and Chedorlaomer both have a 'k' sound at the "ch." Don't we pronounce "Malachi" as "Malakeye?" (We Americans tend to give the last letter in his name as a long 'i', but I don't recall seeing that sound in Hebrew). Why change pronunciation for one word and not another? "Christ" is pronounced with a 'k' sound. (yeah, yeah: we should say 'kreest' in order to sound silly?) "Ananias" is pronounced "ana-ni'as" (a-nah-knee-as). "Israel" is 'is-ra-EL,' not "is real."

Practice with the genealogies. By the time you get through pronouncing the names correctly, Mahershalalhashbaz simply rolls off the tongue! (The black actor with the same name is not this guy.) "Ai" then correctly becomes "ah ee."

If you do this diligently then you begin to see some of the same people in the genealogies in action elsewhere in the narrative. And then the fun begins in finding out what their names mean! Hint: 1Ch. 1:8 has the toponym "Mizraim." When you discover that is the Hebrew name for Egypt (both upper and lower) then a lot of things begin to make sense.

God bless

{charley}

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2016 2:42 PM

JoshInRI:
..sorry but for me this is basic functionality sadly missing for years.

Not missing. Use the information tool and set the highest priority dictionary (type:encyclopedia) to one that contains the pronunciation. Here it is set to That's Easy for You To Say. ... Mouse over or click depending upon your settings and the pronunciation comes up.

1. Open your library

2. Open the prioritize panel

3. Find That's Easy for You to Say (or whatever you want) and drag the title to the top of the priority list in priority panel.

4. Close everything

5. Open your Bible

6. In the Tools Menu, open Information

7. In the Information Panel close all sections except Definition (to ensure speed)

You are all ready to go with the Option:

JoshInRI:
spell it out phonetically

If you prefer the option

JoshInRI:
pronounce a word

Use the Word Info section which has the audio option.

Or use both and get both.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 19 2016 1:00 PM

JoshinRI ... does this work for you? Please let me know because it really does matter to me that we give people the right information for Logos to work for them and I don't see why this doesn't meet your needs.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 20 2016 9:11 AM

MJ. Smith:
Use the information tool and set the highest priority dictionary (type:encyclopedia) to one that contains the pronunciation. Here it is set to That's Easy for You To Say. ... Mouse over or click depending upon your settings and the pronunciation comes up.

That worked for me, thanks MJ. I didn't even realise that I owned "That's Easy for You to Say". :)

The audio option doesn't appear in my Word Info section so I guess I don't own that resource.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 4:22 PM

Thanks Dr. Wooten and MJ...I just now finally got to your excellent replies.  Both were helpful though I do think an easy layout that contains basic pronunciation is an absolute for any "easy" mode or revamp of the software.  MJ, it is not immediately apparent to go hunting in the word study for a pronunciation.  In a group study while I floundered on my tablet to do this quickly I might hear "Next please".  I continue to think of the most basic and simplest use of the software.  Logos Now and the upgrade contains proof of some new layouts where developers at Logos have given this some thought already but imho more work should be done to add ease of use and speed please.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 5:02 PM

JoshInRI:
MJ, it is not immediately apparent to go hunting in the word study for a pronunciation.

Ah, I just had a major breakthrough in understanding you. You did not use a word study in the sense I would use the term; I used the basic Information Tool which provides "instant" information (hover or click) about a term i.e. it is exactly where I would expect to see definition and pronunciation regardless of implementation. One has the option to turn this basic information on or off by opening or closing the panel which is always a requirement unless you wish to force users to waste real estate on features they don't need.

It would make sense to have a simple starter layout with a Bible, an Atlas and the information panel which would meet most of your requirements.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 5:31 PM

I believe wholeheartedly that a built in pronunciation-in-English-tool in a basic (easily programmed) GROUP BIBLE STUDY mode would strengthen Logos as a basic tool and earn them some revenue in the process too. Smile

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 5:40 PM

Take it to User voice and if enough people want it then Faithlife will add it.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 6:05 PM

I gave it 3 votes

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 22 2016 6:09 PM

thanks, me too.  I also found this below but know FactBook doesn't usually have all the pronunciations either.  One should not need to be a Logos programmer to get an English translation or phonetic listing of a word in my opinion.  It must be very challenging to think "How do I simplify Logos 7.x now that it has been released?".  God help those attempting to...seriously.

If you read this far, this title That’s Easy For You to Say: Your Quick Guide to Pronouncing Bible Names in Logos tends to leave words out somewhat randomly.  It will list a word but sometimes not give a pronunciation. 

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