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Stephen Miller | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Nov 20 2016 4:10 PM

Someone behind the scenes has been making some definite changes to my definite article.

Double clicking "the" in any resource opens the Unger Bible Dictionary" at the article on "The Epicureans".

Who did this and why?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 20 2016 5:02 PM

Stephen Miller:
Who did this and why?

You did this by prioritizing the Unger Bible Dictionary above other dictionaries OR Faithlife did this by accidentally using "the" rather than "the edpicureans" as the headword in a new release of the Unger.

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Stephen Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 20 2016 6:33 PM

MJ,

The double clicking goes to "The NEW Unger's Bible Dictionary", which I hardly ever use, and have never prioritised it.

What does double clicking "the" do for you?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 20 2016 6:40 PM

It brings up the Concise Oxford English Dictionary which is what I have prioritized. What have you prioritized? You may be a "victim" of default prioritization although I would expect that to make the complaint more common.

I don't have the Unger's dictionary to check its headwords.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 20 2016 10:12 PM

Stephen Miller:
The double clicking goes to "The NEW Unger's Bible Dictionary", which I hardly ever use, and have never prioritised it.

Yes, it will bring up The Epicureans in Ungers, so you need to prioritize bible dictionaries (type:encyclopedia) that you prefer and decide where you want to prioritise a lexical dictionary (type:dictionary e.g. Merriam-Webster). I place those dictionaries below the bible dictionaries to catch words that are not 'biblical'.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 20 2016 11:30 PM

The prioritizing pane on the right of the window is inherently confusing.

Even if I select the dictionary type only, it will show all types in the priority list. Because the prioritizing pane is narrow, it shows MW collegiate ... , thus it can take quite a long time to find out what is actually prioritized

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 21 2016 2:49 PM

Veli Voipio:
Even if I select the dictionary type only, it will show all types in the priority list.

The Library filter makes it easy to find and drag a title into the Prioritization list!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 21 2016 2:54 PM

Veli Voipio:
Even if I select the dictionary type only, it will show all types in the priority list.

This is because prioritization is based on the index fields of the resource rather than the resource type metadata. Because they are closely correlated, it is easy to use the latter as a shortcut when discussing priorities.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 21 2016 11:54 PM

Dave Hooton:
The Library filter makes it easy to find and drag a title into the Prioritization list!

Well, my point was not in the getting something into the priority list, my point was how to make quickly sense out of the existing list.

MJ. Smith:
This is because prioritization is based on the index fields of the resource rather than the resource type metadata. Because they are closely correlated, it is easy to use the latter as a shortcut when discussing priorities.

But I could imagine that it is not too difficult to filter the the priorization pane to show the selected type only?  This is my wish to Santa this year Gift

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 12:10 AM

Veli Voipio:
But I could imagine that it is not too difficult to filter the the priorization pane to show the selected type only?  This is my wish to Santa this year Gift

As you have probably suspected, I prefer accuracy and would like to be able to filter by indexed datatype ...

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 12:39 AM

MJ. Smith:
indexed datatype

Looks like it is time for me to learn something new.

Indexed datatype - I have no idea about it. Is it something that has metadata fields combined like the library type and series etc?

Just fine for me, as long as they implement user selectable filtering to it.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 1:53 AM

Veli Voipio:
Indexed datatype - I have no idea about it.

A resource can have many indexes of datatypes. For example, Vine's Expository Dictionary has five datatypes:

  • Greek Strong's Number
  • Hebrew Strong's Number
  • Greek Headwords
  • Hebrew Headwords
  • English Headwords

Hence, prioritizing Vine's Expository Dictionary resource affects search order for five datatypes (unless Advanced prioritization is used).

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 2:12 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Hence, prioritizing Vine's Expository Dictionary resource affects search order for five datatypes

Ok, thanks a lot, I feel that I understand something.

But looks like my wish:

to be able to see only one resource type at a time on the prioritization pane.

For me it seems possible to implement in the software.

Just asking for visual filter to make the prioritizing easier, nothing more.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 5:03 AM

Veli Voipio:
to be able to see only one resource type at a time on the prioritization pane.

Being able to filter prioritization by index datatype(s) would be helpful and appreciated. Also useful would be a Library column to show indexed datatype(s) for each resource.

New Living Translation (NLT) has two indexed datatypes: Bible and English Keywords. NLT includes a topical "Bible Verse Finder" with English Headwords (none of them have "the"). Hence, prioritizing NLT for Bible verses also prioritizes "Bible Verse Finder" (unless use Advanced prioritization to limit datatype to Bible for NLT).

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 6:17 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Being able to filter prioritization by index datatype(s) would be helpful and appreciated. Also useful would be a Library column to show indexed datatype(s) for each resource.

Just wondering whether a spreadsheet type of visualization would be good for this: the list of resources according to priority in the left column and then having columns for each index with a priority number on a row where the resource is. Then make the priorities user-editable? Am I on the right track?

My particular wish to Santa is below, a Photoshop composition displaying only the selected type on the preference panel. That would be helpful in the first phase of prioritization: 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 10:49 AM

Veli Voipio:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Being able to filter prioritization by index datatype(s) would be helpful and appreciated. Also useful would be a Library column to show indexed datatype(s) for each resource.

Just wondering whether a spreadsheet type of visualization would be good for this: the list of resources according to priority in the left column and then having columns for each index with a priority number on a row where the resource is. Then make the priorities user-editable? Am I on the right track?

When Prioritize is clicked, having Rank show resource Prioritization order would be awesome so can sort by Rank to see priority order for searching indexed datatypes.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 11:45 AM

Veli Voipio:

My particular wish to Santa is below, a Photoshop composition displaying only the selected type on the preference panel. That would be helpful in the first phase of prioritization: 

This is on the right track but it doesn't show the user that Bible Commentaries that are above Bibles would get selected first ... the most common priority error that gets asked about on the forums. But the principle is correct.

Veli Voipio:
Just wondering whether a spreadsheet type of visualization would be good for this: the list of resources according to priority in the left column and then having columns for each index with a priority number on a row where the resource is. Then make the priorities user-editable? Am I on the right track?

There has been a fair amount of debate behind the scenes on how to do this. This is a reasonable suggestion - I'd have to think through how it would be at handling my problem cases.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 22 2016 1:06 PM

MJ. Smith:

Veli Voipio:
Just wondering whether a spreadsheet type of visualization would be good for this: the list of resources according to priority in the left column and then having columns for each index with a priority number on a row where the resource is. Then make the priorities user-editable? Am I on the right track?

There has been a fair amount of debate behind the scenes on how to do this. This is a reasonable suggestion - I'd have to think through how it would be at handling my problem cases.

ALL resources would have to be listed with an indication of default priority vs user priority to distinguish those that you want to be visible in the current/default Prioritize list. The editable list would also have to indicate resource type e.g. bible, bible commentary because they share the same datatype. In attempting to overcome the deficiencies of the current system we are getting closer to the Libronix method of prioritising by datatype i.e. listing and prioritising the resources under datatype headings!

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