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Robert murray | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 15 2016 6:31 PM

i am looking for the easiest way Logos might be able to help me find the noun/subject of each sentence through scripture.  

In a morph filter I can mark about any type of noun, verb, etc... but can't seem to find one to help look for the correct subject.

I can find it occasionally in the word by word for the Greek/Hebrew but looking for something a little easier.

any ideas?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 6:50 PM

Welcome to the forums. I'd use the clause search:

For grammatical subject: subject:ANY

For semantic agent: agent:ANY

Unfortunately, the clause search is not supported by the Visual Filter - one would have to keep the search open to have the highlighting.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 9:28 PM

Robert Murray:
In a morph filter I can mark about any type of noun, verb, etc... but can't seem to find one to help look for the correct subject.

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Concur Logos Greek Morphology tagging does not identify grammatical subject. Nominative case has predicate usage with verb εἰμί

Robert Murray:
I can find it occasionally in the word by word for the Greek/Hebrew but looking for something a little easier.

Syntax Search can find subjects:

OpenText does not have Subject clause component in Matthew 2:10-12

Cascadia likewise does not have Subject function in Matthew 2:10-12 where the subject is implied from verb ending:

Modified OpenText Subject syntax search to include subjects included with verb:

WIVU Constituency Trees can be searched for Subjects (similar to OpenText Subject search plus learned a number of sentences do not have Subject):

Published "OpenText Subject" and "WIVU Subject" to Faithlife group "Logos Syntax Searching" => https://faithlife.com/logos-syntax-searching/documents

MJ. Smith:
For grammatical subject: subject:ANY

Appears "subject:ANY" finds every Hebrew clause:

while agent:ANY finds a bit less:

Greek subject:ANY appears to not find conjunctions while finding all other words in clauses:

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 9:32 PM

If you have the "Lexham SGNT Syntactic Force Dataset" ( https://www.logos.com/product/57059/lexham-sgnt-syntactic-force-dataset, in Logos Now & Full Feature Set, I believe) you could do the following, which should also work in a visual filter.

Note: This is based on data from the Lexham SGNT. I do not expect these counts to match the counts from clause search that MJ has recommended. They are different analyses that have different methodology, framework, and goals. But this should get you most of the subjects in a way that could also be used with a visual filter, which is what I think you're asking. 

(Yes, I know I have the LEB twice; I usually have searches in the original languages and thus keep the LEB in column 2)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 9:45 PM

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WIVU Constituency Trees can be searched for Subjects (similar to OpenText Subject search plus learned a number of sentences do not have Subject):

Added pronouns to WIVU Subject search:

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 9:52 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
If you have the "Lexham SGNT Syntactic Force Dataset" ( https://www.logos.com/product/57059/lexham-sgnt-syntactic-force-dataset, in Logos Now & Full Feature Set, I believe)

Thanks, plus work in an original language search:

{Section <SGNTSyntacticForce = Subject>}

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 15 2016 10:18 PM

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Appears "subject:ANY" finds every Hebrew clause:

This is to be expected by the definition of a clause "a unit of grammatical organization next below the sentence in rank and in traditional grammar said to consist of a subject and predicate."

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while agent:ANY finds a bit less:

This is to be expected as not all verbs require an agent.  Think of sentences "it's raining" or "now that's red". You can find these with the clause search agent:NONE.

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Robert murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2016 4:19 AM

Looks like this works a bit better at first looks.

2 questions:

1) what would I use for old testament?

2) you mentioned it should work in a visual filter, would I just use this rule in the filter?  If I could make that show up automatically, no matter where I am at, I would LOVE it.

Thanks

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2016 8:49 AM

Robert Murray:
1) what would I use for old testament?

Currently not know what to use for visual filter in Old Testament, which does not have equivalent of SGNT Syntactic Force.

As a volunteer user, personally lack insights into Faithlife's plans.

Robert Murray:
2) you mentioned it should work in a visual filter, would I just use this rule in the filter?  If I could make that show up automatically, no matter where I am at, I would LOVE it.

One option for Visual Filter is using rule

{Section <SGNTSyntacticForce = Subject>}

with desired highlighting: e.g. Luke 1:9 phrase "he was chosen by lot" (verb ending has first person singular)

Created "SGNTSyntacticForce = Subject" visual filter, which has been published to Faithlife group "Logos Visual Filters"

=> https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents 

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Robert murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2016 11:55 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

If you have the "Lexham SGNT Syntactic Force Dataset" ( https://www.logos.com/product/57059/lexham-sgnt-syntactic-force-dataset, in Logos Now & Full Feature Set, I believe) you could do the following, which should also work in a visual filter.

YES!!! I added this to my greek visual filter..it isn't perfect but much better than what I had.  Good enough...

What would be the Hebrew source/rule I would need to add to a hebrew filter?

Thank you very much

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