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Peter Streitenberger | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2017 1:56 AM

Dear friends and Colleagues,

maybe you've heard about the idea to try to move Logos to provide the LXX tagged as the New Testament with the Cascadia System. Please let me say some thoughts on that.

A tagged database of the LXX according to the Cascadia Syntax System would open a whole new dimension. We all know that the Old Testament is written in Hebrew/Aramaic but the New Testamten writers were more or less aware and dependent of the LXX. But the main reason to support this endeavor in my eyes is to have more possibilities of comparing Syntax. That would be a great benefit for the understanding of the Greek New Testament as well. When a Syntax pattern is one and the same one can draw important conclusions for the understanding of the text. Another point would be to be able to analyze the translation process of the LXX translators, how did they manage their job and how did they treat their Hebrew text? That could enlighten the question of their translation techniques and one could draw conclusions how they understood the Hebrew text - of interest not only for textcritical interested people. So a comparison of the Hebrew and Greek text would be possible. Mere morphologically tagged LXX editions are available everywhere, but the analysis of the Cascadia Syntax providing more information is of much more interest and possibilities, so more insights in many open questions could be expected. It would be beneficial to have the same method and System as used in the New Testament so that cross searches between the New and the Old Testament are possible - important because there are Syntax structures in the NT appearing only once or not very often, so that a direct comparison with the LXX would be of benefit and one could determine how to interpret a certain pattern. The more possibilities to compare a certain structure you have, the better is your interpretation. I hope that many interested people vote for it and Logos is able to support this work. Everybody knows that there is a lot to do for the team. They did a great job for the New Testament. So this project could foster the understanding of New Testament Syntax as well. Much more could be said. Please vote for it, if you agree: Yours Peter

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 3:54 AM

Yes Yes

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 5:08 AM

The existing Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the LXX Deuterocanon/ Apocrypha seems to be only a subset https://www.logos.com/product/64904/cascadia-syntax-graphs-of-the-lxx-deuterocanon-apocrypha 

Just wonder whether they a planning to extend it?

Yes

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 5:22 AM

Veli Voipio:

The existing Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the LXX Deuterocanon/ Apocrypha seems to be only a subset https://www.logos.com/product/64904/cascadia-syntax-graphs-of-the-lxx-deuterocanon-apocrypha 

Just wonder whether they a planning to extend it?

Yes

That was planned and put to PrePub (with a price tag of $200, I think), but did not reach 100% and thus was taken off the program at some time - seems the smaller deuterocanonical part had already been worked on and thus we're glad to have it now.

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Peter Streitenberger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 5:27 AM

Dear Mick and Veli, can someone tell the G.M. of Logos, that there are some Germans using Logos 6, who would love to buy the Database for the Cascadia LXX Apokrypha, you mentioned, Veli, currently only available for the English based Logos 7. Hopefully this database could be singled out as a own module for (at least the German) Logos 6 Users. Why this can't happend currently ? I don't know.
Yours
Peter, Germany

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 5:59 AM

I guess I'm missing a key piece of info ... Cascadia-Apocrypha is in the L7 features package (which I bought) which comes with L7. So, there's some reason not to upgrade from L6 for german users? 

I'd think the primary reason for Cascadia LXX is it's the only syntax and visualization game in town for the LXX (for Logos). Else, as Peter noted, some morph tags.

And the transition out of the semitic world had to have been linguistically gut-wrenching for jews, with the transition literally changing the religion.  So much so, it's difficult to tie down exactly what the groups believed, to whom Paul was argueing.


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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 6:38 AM

Denise:
I guess I'm missing a key piece of info ... Cascadia-Apocrypha is in the L7 features package (which I bought) which comes with L7. So, there's some reason not to upgrade from L6 for german users? 

Well, there are only L6-level base packages in German language, which means people new to Logos would probably buy one of those and not upgrade to L7.

I personally think those people should supplement their base package with a Logos Now subscription (much cheaper than a L7 Features package - and there's not much dynamic pricing discount, since localized datasets are different to English ones with the same functional content), and I'm wondering why the marketing-savy people at Faithlife didn't build a translated product page for LNow to lure the German customers into getting L7 now (the sales window closing a bit when the free L7 engine ships next month) - but the team is small and stretched thin with many tasks.  

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 6:48 AM

Veli Voipio:

The existing Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the LXX Deuterocanon/ Apocrypha seems to be only a subset https://www.logos.com/product/64904/cascadia-syntax-graphs-of-the-lxx-deuterocanon-apocrypha 

Just wonder whether they a planning to extend it?

Yes

+1 Yes plus wonder if Asia Bible Society Greek TreeBank could be used for the rest of LXX

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ilian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 8:02 AM

Yes

Last time it was as a Pre-Pub (which is expensive). Maybe it would be better to offer this time than Community Pricing. So it will probably be cheaper.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 6 2017 9:43 AM

Price vs Demand. Therein is the problem. If you reduce the price (CP), you need (lots) more demand. And if you increase the price, you reduce some  demand, and bump into the eventual sell-price ... no early savings.

The other alternative might be to break it out into 2 digestable pieces ... Pentateuch and prophets (the high-value) ... then Writings and poetry. OT datasets are inherently big and thus prohibitively expensive.


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