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I have been wondering if my computer is fit to give me the proper Logos experience. Should I upgrade?

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Eric Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 2:17 PM

The largest impact to performance is lack of memory.  With 8Gb you have plenty to run the software as long as you aren't running too many other apps.  If you can afford it, a second display is very helpful if you want to have many resources open at the same time.

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Rafe Andersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 3:34 PM

Thank you for the tip. When you say "second display" are you talking about another iMac?

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 4:22 PM

I think it is worth considering an SSD if you don't have one.

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Rafe Andersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 4:43 PM

Thanks, that has been suggested to me before. I intend to have one installed. Should I also upgrade my RAM as well, or just the SSD?

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David Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 5:37 PM

The SSD made a big performance improvement for me.

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Rafe Andersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 6:47 PM

Should I let Apple put it in for me or find someone else who can? I assume the second option would be cheaper.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 10:00 PM

Rafe Andersen:
Should I also upgrade my RAM as well, or just the SSD?

8 GB RAM is enough to get the best from 64-bit programs like Logos on 64-bit OS. An SSD will have a larger impact on performance.

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Rafe Andersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 11:39 PM

Alright, thank you for that information! 

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 5 2017 11:53 PM

Rafe Andersen:

Thanks, that has been suggested to me before. I intend to have one installed. Should I also upgrade my RAM as well, or just the SSD?

Your 2013 21.5" iMac is not upgradeable. The memory modules can not be removed or replaced without completely disassembling the entire machine and removing the logic board.  And adding an SSD would also require complete disassembly.  The cost to do either would not be worth it. If you need more computing power, you would be better off waiting for the new iMacs which should be forthcoming sometime in the next four months.

In Christ, Charles 

2017 27" iMac 5K, Mojave, 10.5" iPad Pro, iPhone 6s+, iPhone 7+, iOS 12.0  

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2017 4:33 AM

Rafe Andersen:

Thank you for the tip. When you say "second display" are you talking about another iMac?

Rafe suggested that improvements would need either a new MacBook or iMac which are due out soon.

I too am waiting for them to appear.

If you use Logos on a lap top then a second monitor using one of the ports will be a big help when doing serious (lengthy session) work.

If I was buying a second monitor now I would (and have) bought one of the inexpensive 4k models. Even though they won't run at full resolution on your 2013 computer they will come into their own if and when you upgrade.

If you are interested in upgrading you might well look at the price 2013 MacBooks are fetching on Ebay.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2017 6:26 AM

Rafe Andersen:
I have been wondering if my computer is fit to give me the proper Logos experience. Should I upgrade?

What is the storage ?

Mac Benchmarks => http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks shows CPU score of 3835, which is useful for comparison when purchasing a newer model for upgrade.

I Fit It has repair guides for 21.5" iMac Late 2013 => https://www.ifixit.com/Device/iMac_Intel_21.5%22_EMC_2638 with tear down conclusion:

I Fix It:

  • You can still replace the RAM and hard drive inside this machine...with a lot of adhesive cutting.
  • Budget-minded folks now can add a second hard drive to the base iMac because the Fusion Drive connector is no longer missing from the logic board.
  • The CPU is soldered to the logic board, and cannot be replaced or upgraded.
  • The glass and LCD are fused together, and there are no more magnets holding the glass in place.
  • Most replaceable components (like the RAM) are buried behind the logic board, meaning you'll have to take apart most of the iMac just to gain access to them.
  • You'll have to masterfully peel off the old double-sided sticky tape and apply new tape in order to reseal this iMac into original condition.

I Fix It has opening tool and adhesive strips for 21.5: Mac => https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/iMac-Intel-21-5-Inch-2012-2015-Adhesive-Strips/IF173-005

The hard disk replacement guide => https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2638+Hard+Drive+Replacement/28781 has 23 steps to remove display (along with warnings).

Mac Sales has SSD Upgrades for Late 2013 iMac 21.5" => https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/imac-21.5-inch/2013-2014

External storage can be used for booting up Macs as well as expanding storage. Logos wiki has => Install in different folder or drive

Drobo has external devices with Thunderbolt (e.g. Drobo Mini) => http://www.drobo.com/storage-products/

Thunderbolt has faster transfer than USB 3 => http://www.computerworld.com/article/2511551/data-center/thunderbolt-vs--superspeed-usb-3-0.html

Personally have used an external USB drive to start up Mac with Logos installed on that drive. Also using Logos 7 on a laptop with 8 GB RAM with an older CPU (benchmark of 1471) with SATA III SSD that has write speed over 500 Mb/sec. Caveat: Logos 7 on Mac (and Windows) does not show when bogged down during collection cache refresh OR applying visual filters so am using Activity Monitor (Task Manager) to show CPU usage. The open tab automatically repeating previous search often means a bit of a wait so can change to new search.

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