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HansK | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 11:23 AM

Beloved:

The Cantillation Database is live! Gotta read the documentation to learn how to use it though.

I have tried several times to update, but no. Not here yet in The Netherlands :-(

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 11:42 AM

Hans K:
I have tried several times to update, but no. Not here yet in The Netherlands :-(

Hmm... so sorry

I don't understand it, but it looks so cool!

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2017 4:16 PM

I have not received this dataset yet. 

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 2:56 AM

Any word on when this will become available for individual purchase?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 3:58 AM

Francis:

Any word on when this will become available for individual purchase?

Not likely until sometime after L8.

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 29 2017 10:56 AM

I love the Cantillation Interactive -- infinitely easier than trying to work it all out myself.

Will we eventually be able to print from it?

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 29 2017 2:47 PM

Mary-Ellen:
Will we eventually be able to print from it?

You can print from the similar resource, Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Graphs, by clicking the resource panel menu and then Print/Export. See the similarities below

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 29 2017 4:19 PM

Very helpful, thanks!  With the graphs, I think I'm only getting one verse at a time, because it splits all the way down to the affix level.  I don't see a way this can be adjusted?

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 30 2017 11:59 AM

Mary-Ellen:

Very helpful, thanks!  With the graphs, I think I'm only getting one verse at a time, because it splits all the way down to the affix level.  I don't see a way this can be adjusted?

Using the "Interlinear" button in the resource window, you can specify levels to collapse together.

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 30 2017 7:49 PM

Cool!  Fun to play with; I wouldn't have thought to look there.

I still only get one verse at a time in the Print/Export window, though.

Right now I'm studying Ps 98, and the cantillation tools help me follow along with commentaries that try to find meter in the text (or even advocate text emendations based on meter).  With copy-paste from the Interactive (and a lot of manual editing), I can get all of Ps 98 on a page-and-a-half in Word, a decent size for trying my own hand at metrical counting.  But a page per verse feels unwieldy.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 31 2017 9:09 AM

On the graphs, you can select a node by clicking it. If you hold CTRL (windows; I'd guess Command for mac?) you can make multiple selections. This copies out as a graphic, though I *think* you can paste it into a sentence diagram document and manipulate it there. (IIRC).

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 31 2017 9:22 AM

Very cool!  Yes, I was able to copy into a Sentence Diagram document, but didn't try to manipulate it there.  The image pasted into Word works fine for me, as all I want is a piece of paper I can mark up with pencil.

Thanks to all for this excellent tool!  It fills a real need.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 3:07 PM

We do not know the original signification of the accents for chanting. There are numerous Jewish traditions in this regard. My interest in the accents is their exegetical value. They are the oldest commentary on the syntax of the text that we have available to us.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 2:16 PM

Mark Futato:
They are the oldest commentary on the syntax of the text that we have available to us.

Interesting perspective, thanks Dr. Futato

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 2:59 PM

You are welcome.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 4:07 AM

Beloved:

so... Is there some advantage gained in understanding the message conveyed by having a knowledge of how to chant scripture? Or is this purely an embellishment? 

Yes, take Deuteronomy 26:5 for example. Notice the 'Hebrew consonants'(in black) and the 'vowels' (in blue) are identical. However, the accents/cantillation marks(in red) differ and the meaning of text was well:

Notice the standard Torah scroll the this text appears neither with accents nor with vowel points. So a reader without the Masorah would have had to decide from him/her self how to interpret this verse:

If you want more examples let me know. The above example only scratches the surface.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 7:50 AM

Sometimes reading with the accents makes a subtle difference. Sometimes the difference is major. A few times we judge that the accents are probably in error. An added benefit to reading with the accents is that they break the text into smaller chunks, which makes analyzing the text easier. One interesting example is Gen 1:20 - אֶת־הַתַּנִּינִ֖ם הַגְּדֹלִ֑ים. By placing atnach where they do, the Masoretes have disassociated the tanninim (serpents/sea  monsters) from the statement "and is was good." I have a basic introduction to the accents at the publisher; should be out in 2019. You do not have to know every detail of the accents to benefit from paying attention to them. All the best.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 5:43 PM


שׁלום מרק פוטטו

Thanks for continuing to provide some great feedback to this thread!

Mark Futato:

...I have a basic introduction to the accents at the publisher; should be out in 2019...

This is very good to hear!

In-spite of the fact that are other other commonly used resources on the טַעֲמֵי הַמִּקְרָא (accents of the Bible) the vast majority of them are not entirely welcoming to new students and novice. And, those that are welcoming are much more focused on the Leyning of the trope which may or may not be applicable to everyone interested in the accents.

Mark Futato:
...You do not have to know every detail of the accents to benefit from paying attention to them. All the best.

Excellent point!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 5:59 PM

Mark Futato:
I have a basic introduction to the accents at the publisher; should be out in 2019.

Do let us know ...

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2018 11:11 AM

Will do.

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