NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE - THIS NEEDS A BIG PUSH!!!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 3:38 PM

Bruce Dunning:

P A:
If you have not already bid for this please do!

I'm one who has not yet bid. What are your top reasons to have this version in Logos?

The NJB is one of the most important translations of the 20th century. You may well have the readers edition of NJB in your Library but to give you an idea since you not familiar with it. Imagine the NIV Study Bible was published first and the the translation was excised out of it with the bare minimal notes.

This is the full text:

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 

  a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:171 P 1:20
  b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a14m
  c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological. 
  d. Hebraism for the whole of creation. 
  e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9.

This is what the readers version we currently own in Logos provides:

1  At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, *  sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 

* cf. Ws 7:25–26.

 The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985), Heb 1:1–4.

This is an invaluable work that every scholar of the Bible should want in their library. For $15.99 it is one of the greatest bargains you will find in the Logos world. Please consider ordering it to help bring this work in it's  fullness to Logos. It is in all respects a small but valuable little commentary. With many great insights.

-Dan

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 1:24 AM

Dan Francis:

Bruce Dunning:

P A:
If you have not already bid for this please do!

I'm one who has not yet bid. What are your top reasons to have this version in Logos?

Wouldn't it be great if we could organise an international 'big push' for this?

I would be in.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 1:36 AM

Mike Binks:
Wouldn't it be great if we could organise an international 'big push' for this?

What do you mean by "international"? I guess Logos needs global availability in order to get the other half of the bidders.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 2:55 AM

That's a big problem the U.K. Is one of the places it has it's biggest market, although I would dare say most of the English speaking world outside of the USA would consider it the default catholic choice for reading. The NAB is really only popular with American Catholics world wide the RSV (NRSV, somewhat as in Canada it is the preferred translation for the Catholic Church) or the JB/NJB Is considered the primary translation of choice. So not offering it internationally means you are aiming at the smallest market. I don't know his translation never took off better in the states it is one of the best translations out there, and it's notes are a gold mine of useful information. I can only hope that it can get made. 

-dan

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 3:31 AM

Sad that I'm not allowed to get it, but I find it quite amusing that Catholic publishers are the only ones I've had issues with on this front. I'd have just assumed that they'd be the last group to struggle with lack of a central authority.

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Disciple of Christ (doc) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 5:24 AM

Mike Binks:
Wouldn't it be great if we could organise an international 'big push' for this?

Mike what is the point of an international push when international users are locked out from purchasing this title because of distribution rights restrictions. Faithlife is only allowed to sell this title to those in US Or Canada.  This is not FL's fault but that of the publishing industry.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 8:20 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Mike Binks:
Wouldn't it be great if we could organise an international 'big push' for this?

Mike what is the point of an international push when international users are locked out from purchasing this title because of distribution rights restrictions. Faithlife is only allowed to sell this title to those in US Or Canada.  This is not FL's fault but that of the publishing industry.

That is FL choice, Accordance has global distribution rights as does WORDsearch it is FL choice not to get international rights. Yes it requires two different contracts but it is very possible just depends on what FL wants to do, when I see the restrictions it feels to me that they feel a primary audience of North America and while that may well be it feels shortsighted.

-dan 

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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 10:42 AM

Can someone from Faithlife tells how many more bids are needed to push this one over the line?

Please give us some hope!

P A

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 22 2017 1:27 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Mike Binks:
Wouldn't it be great if we could organise an international 'big push' for this?

Mike what is the point of an international push when international users are locked out from purchasing this title because of distribution rights restrictions. Faithlife is only allowed to sell this title to those in US Or Canada.  This is not FL's fault but that of the publishing industry.

Yes DOC there is a corollary to the suggestion. I just didn't think it needed to be spelt out. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 22 2017 5:57 PM

Thanks Dan and others for taking time to explain why you think this is worth having. I see what you are saying but I am still not convinced that the notes are worth it since I already own the text itself.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 22 2017 6:10 PM

Well Bruce all I can suggest is looking at a hard copy, I maintain that the NJB without it's notes is like singing without music. I know the NJB is pretty awesome on its own but better with it's notes.

-dan

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 22 2017 6:17 PM

Looks like it's officially half way, unless I need new 👓 glasses 👌👍

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 22 2017 7:34 PM

Dan Francis:

Bruce Dunning:

P A:
If you have not already bid for this please do!

I'm one who has not yet bid. What are your top reasons to have this version in Logos?

The NJB is one of the most important translations of the 20th century. You may well have the readers edition of NJB in your Library but to give you an idea since you not familiar with it. Imagine the NIV Study Bible was published first and the the translation was excised out of it with the bare minimal notes.

This is the full text:

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 

  a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:171 P 1:20
  b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a14m
  c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological. 
  d. Hebraism for the whole of creation. 
  e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9.

This is what the readers version we currently own in Logos provides:

1  At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, *  sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 

* cf. Ws 7:25–26.

 The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985), Heb 1:1–4.

This is an invaluable work that every scholar of the Bible should want in their library. For $15.99 it is one of the greatest bargains you will find in the Logos world. Please consider ordering it to help bring this work in it's  fullness to Logos. It is in all respects a small but valuable little commentary. With many great insights.

-Dan

Well, Dan, in your example, I'm not sure about note 'd'.  But I suspect to use the translation, the notes are needed. Though I don't know if the two are independent, or related.  I agree with Bruce, not sure who's doing the notes. I am signed, though cost inflation may overcome sign-uppers.

I did learn something I don't like about the Bible refs in your copy. I assume you copied raw text, and the forum software supplied the reference coding? If so, I'll have to see why iOS allowed an app to app pass-thru without asking the user.


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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 2 2017 1:14 PM

BUMP!

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 12 2017 11:36 PM

I bought Verbum Bronze https://www.logos.com/product/81203/verbum-bronze yesterday, and it has the Catechism of the Catholic Church sandwiched in it which is not available outside USA/Canada: https://www.logos.com/product/17215/catechism-of-the-catholic-church 

I just wonder could FL do the same thing with the NJB to get a larger market? Smile

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 14 2017 9:20 AM

Veli Voipio:
Catechism of the Catholic Church

Is Now available for all users of FL... although strangely enough the international edition does not appear to be available outside a package (searching i couldn't locate it unless it's because I am searching within north america????). I have both the USA edition and the international edition in my library because when i had purchased a verbum library upgrade it contained the international english edition.

-dan

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 Catholic Church, Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Ed. (Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1997), ii–iii.

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 Catholic Church, Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Ed. (Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference, 2000), ii–iii.

The above is the first difference I noticed. The next more meaningful is the international edition lacks the INDEX (but has the index of citations still) and the glossary. One thing i just found amusing is that the US INDEX when i click on it opens the international edition, assuringly if one only had the us edition it would open within itself.

-dan

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 16 2017 3:44 PM

Dan Francis:

The above is the first difference I noticed. The next more meaningful is the international edition lacks the INDEX (but has the index of citations still) and the glossary. One thing i just found amusing is that the US INDEX when i click on it opens the international edition, assuringly if one only had the us edition it would open within itself.

If you prioritize the US edition above the international one, it will link to itself.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 17 2017 2:40 AM

Is it Catholic?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 17 2017 8:35 AM

The NJB is catholic but it's notes are not dogmatic And are very useful for all Christians. 

Dan

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 17 2017 9:16 AM

'Catholic' resources are hard to get a handle on. Ditto Jewish. They don't seem to to stick within an assumed 'wall' of theology like protestants do.

MJ explained this a while back, and it went over my head (I'm not the smartest kid on the block, for sure).

Even yesterday for me, a varient reading in DR gave a clue to a much older argument I wanted data on. Interestingly, NJB didn't keep the varient.

I like Catholic and Jewish Bibles if there's good notes ... which seems to be the rule.  Also, Catholic and jewish scholars uniformly good.


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