No NEW Journals - why not?

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2018 3:24 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

I'm not suggesting there isn't interest beyond this group (I know there is; our Pre-Pub numbers demonstrate that). But I was a little surprised to learn that there's a relatively small group of folks who are really engaged in the journals conversation.

I don't think we should conclude too much from this, but I thought it was an interesting observation worth passing along.

I stop by and check this thread regularly without leaving any comment.  Particularly because I don't think it is useful on these forums to bang on and on about the same thing... once you say something, it's sometimes good to let it lie a bit.  Also, my requirement for journals tapered off a few years after we felt the sting of the parting of ways with Galaxie.  Since then I have not invested much in journals, but that is changing again... and I am signed up for a pre-pub right now.

So I am not sure what it takes to register interest in this topic, but for a premier Bible software program I have to believe that there are others like me that want and need a robust journal subscription.  Actually, if there had been an annual subscription to get journals automatically updated, I probably would have kept receiving them all this time.  Personally, this is of more interest to me than some of the other things that FL has rolled out in the last few years... but now I am starting to repeat what I wrote back in the beginning of this very long thread.  Sorry! Stick out tongue

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 19 2018 3:37 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
the right set of journals

I have a bias, but the Galaxie theological library was not a bad little library considering.  The current master collection has a lot of stuff that is so broad I don't know if I could ever use it.  That being said, I have been impressed how Logos has grown over the years to leverage all this data and can present it in a productive way to allow one to sift out the nuggets.  One suggestion would be for the 'Journals' section to have subsections like Ancient Literature section to get journals listed according to category.  That would require more tagging I would guess, which is probably not what you want to hear!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2018 8:03 PM

I wonder if something like a "21st Century Journals" bundle would be an easier sell... buyers get exclusively (relatively) recent journal articles without forking out anywhere near as much money as MJB requires. Then, if they want back issues...

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2018 8:34 AM

SineNomine:

I wonder if something like a "21st Century Journals" bundle would be an easier sell... buyers get exclusively (relatively) recent journal articles without forking out anywhere near as much money as MJB requires. Then, if they want back issues...

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2018 3:23 AM

If we never see 4.1 bundles clear pre-pub is this the end of journals?

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2018 3:45 AM

What a horrible idea!

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2018 7:47 AM

Ken Rutherford:

If we never see 4.1 bundles clear pre-pub is this the end of journals?

They were able to sneak a few into some of the Logos 8 BPs. We may have to wait until L9 to see a few more. A Socialist themed BP would let the many pay for the wants of the few. It would have to be disguised to the many.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 4:51 PM

Sorry for the delay on providing an update on journals. With the launch of Logos 8, the holidays, some business travel, two funerals, and sickness, it's been an extra busy few months.

I think we've come up with an economical way to produce Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1–20 while still ensuring that it'll show up in the Journals guide section (and be searchable using our journal label searching). It won't have all the markup we do to most resources, but it should deliver the essential value journal users are looking for and ensure we're not blocked by funding production costs. We should know in a few weeks if our approach will work. If it does, we shouldn't be too far away from shipping this product. This should also allow us not to have to run future versions of this product through Pre-Pub and wait for funding but instead either take pre-orders for a few weeks before shipping it or just ship and sell it.

We're also looking at the cost and funding levels for our four journal bundles (MJBTJBAJB, and TJLUB) and hope to have an update on them soon. It looks like the funding might be close enough to put them into production in the near future and then ship them not long after that. But we'll know more in a couple of weeks.

I'll follow up when I have more information to share. Thanks for your patience.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 5:37 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
We should know in a few weeks if our approach will work. If it does, we shouldn't be too far away from shipping this product.

I think this may be a good compromise. I really hope this strategy works.

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
We're also looking at the cost and funding levels for our four journal bundles (MJBTJBAJB, and TJLUB) and hope to have an update on them soon. It looks like the funding might be close enough to put them into production in the near future and then ship them not long after that. But we'll know more in a couple of weeks.

This is great news if you can make it work and I sure hope that is the case.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 5:47 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Sorry for the delay on providing an update on journals. With the launch of Logos 8, the holidays, some business travel, two funerals, and sickness, it's been an extra busy few months.

I think we've come up with an economical way to produce Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1–20 while still ensuring that it'll show up in the Journals guide section (and be searchable using our journal label searching). It won't have all the markup we do to most resources, but it should deliver the essential value journal users are looking for and ensure we're not blocked by funding production costs. We should know in a few weeks if our approach will work. If it does, we shouldn't be too far away from shipping this product. This should also allow us not to have to run future versions of this product through Pre-Pub and wait for funding but instead either take pre-orders for a few weeks before shipping it or just ship and sell it.

We're also looking at the cost and funding levels for our four journal bundles (MJBTJBAJB, and TJLUB) and hope to have an update on them soon. It looks like the funding might be close enough to put them into production in the near future and then ship them not long after that. But we'll know more in a couple of weeks.

I'll follow up when I have more information to share. Thanks for your patience.

Thank you Phil. If this gets me Jets I'm on board!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 8:02 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
With the launch of Logos 8, the holidays, some business travel, two funerals, and sickness, it's been an extra busy few months.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 8:37 PM

Mr Gons

Have you put much thought into the possibility of community sourcing? Maybe people in the logos community could help you tag in exchange for a discount/credit?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 9:19 PM

Mattillo:

Have you put much thought into the possibility of community sourcing? Maybe people in the logos community could help you tag in exchange for a discount/credit?

Yes. One of the things we discussed was doing less tagging on certain resources, but investing in tooling that would allow the community to crowd-source tagging that matters to them.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 10:04 PM

Looking forward to it. For those who have Galaxie and MJB on Pre-Pub, we need to keep those pre-pubs active to ensure we're ready to go when they ship, correct?

Nathan Parker

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 10:49 PM

Thanks Phil!  Excited for the possibilities! I totally understand the fight with so much on onesoplate!

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 12:30 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
One of the things we discussed was doing less tagging on certain resources, but investing in tooling that would allow the community to crowd-source tagging that matters to them.

Phil, as I'm sure you're aware, crowd-sourced tagging has been requested for at least 9 years now. In his public response to my proposal from ~4 years ago, Eli mentioned that this was "before its time". Please make this a priority, especially in light of your response here:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

I’ve outlined these (among other) priorities for 2019:

  1. Significantly grow our digital book catalog.
  2. Make new books available at the same time as their print and Kindle release.
  3. Make them discoverable from a single store.
  4. Make them available for individual purchase, not just in collections.
  5. Sell them at competitive prices.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 5:13 AM

Reuben Helmuth:

ote user="Phil Gons (Faithlife)"]

I’ve outlined these (among other) priorities for 2019:

  1. Significantly grow our digital book catalog.
  2. Make new books available at the same time as their print and Kindle release.
  3. Make them discoverable from a single store.
  4. Make them available for individual purchase, not just in collections.
  5. Sell them at competitive prices.

I would add:

     6.  List where book not available.  Both Logos editions, and ebooks

Appreciate your consideration of this, Phil.

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 6:51 AM

Thanks, Phil, for the update!

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Thaddeus Billman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 8:11 AM

Reuben Helmuth:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
One of the things we discussed was doing less tagging on certain resources, but investing in tooling that would allow the community to crowd-source tagging that matters to them.

Phil, as I'm sure you're aware, crowd-sourced tagging has been requested for at least 9 years now. In his public response to my proposal from ~4 years ago, Eli mentioned that this was "before its time". Please make this a priority

Yes please.

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2019 10:54 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mattillo:

Have you put much thought into the possibility of community sourcing? Maybe people in the logos community could help you tag in exchange for a discount/credit?

Yes. One of the things we discussed was doing less tagging on certain resources, but investing in tooling that would allow the community to crowd-source tagging that matters to them.

Phil, community crowd-sourcing is a great idea for tagging more than the essential Logos tagging needed to sell your products. If you're looking for people to do this, please count me in.

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