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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 10:01 AM

Kevin A Lewis:

I suspect - due to the inactivity many will have already gone elsewhere.

I certainly did.  I've been reading updated journals elsewhere.  Frankly, not having it in Logos hasn't been that big of deal to me. 

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 10:07 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark:

So today I was searching for an article by S. Lewis Johnson, Jr and found it in The Masters Seminary Journal Vol 20 dated 2009.  But alas, in Logos, we only have up to vol 18. Sigh...

Neither we nor Galaxie have updates to this journal. Unfortunately, they're in an exclusive arrangement that won't allow others to offer it.

How sad, especially since you can get the PDF of the journal from them for free, without a subscription.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 10:14 AM

Charlene:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark:

So today I was searching for an article by S. Lewis Johnson, Jr and found it in The Masters Seminary Journal Vol 20 dated 2009.  But alas, in Logos, we only have up to vol 18. Sigh...

Neither we nor Galaxie have updates to this journal. Unfortunately, they're in an exclusive arrangement that won't allow others to offer it.

How sad, especially since you can get the PDF of the journal from them for free, without a subscription.

I agree. Just because Galaxy doesn't have them, you'd think they could just get them from Masters Seminary themselves or convert for free

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Clifford B. Kvidahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 11:06 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

David Paul:

Keep us not in suspense...is there any chance that Vetus Testamentum and Novum Testamentum will be added to Logos? Just to be clear, wanting the journals, the supplements, and the congresses. Been asking for these for at least a decade...have THOUSANDS of references to these two journals in my library.

Unfortunately not in the immediate future. I don't remember the details on these, but I think it was a closed door last time we checked.

The way things currently are with journals and the databases they are part of, you have a better shot of unearthing Papias's Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord than you do of getting these in any other format than behind a insanely priced paywall.

What we need to see happen is more of this in order for the trend to change:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/press-room/uc-terminates-subscriptions-worlds-largest-scientific-publisher-push-open-access-publicly

Cliff

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 8:34 PM

Everett Headley:

Kevin A Lewis:

I suspect - due to the inactivity many will have already gone elsewhere.

I certainly did.  I've been reading updated journals elsewhere.  Frankly, not having it in Logos hasn't been that big of deal to me. 

Okay, I am ready to cancel my journals with FL and go elsewhere.  Why should I invest in a failed system with no proven track record?  If Phil is about to ship, why should I put my money down knowing I will only get a small swath of what I really need that's already outdated on year old pre-pubs.  Clearly, the community has spoken and they have opted out. I wish to join.

Recently, I excitedly opened the new workflow by Dr. Michael S. Heiser.  Then I had questions for him.  When he responded, I found out his method is not as they showed.  Rather his first order of business is journals.

FL has a failed track record on journals.  So since others have gone elsewhere, it is time for me to take the plunge and the empty promises here from Washington State can join what comes out of Washington DC.  It's time for a change,  So let's post where I can get journals.  I can get some from Galaxie.  What are the pros and cons of their system before I invest there?  Where else can I get journals?

Maybe if we change this forum's dialogue into what alternatives are readily available out there then FL will take this forum seriously. I mean come on, did the video chat ever happen?  This system is broken and no one wants to fix it.  Let's move on.

So how about everyone posting all the alternatives to how I can get journals and their plusses and minuses.  Why invest here for only more empty promises?  

The pre-pubs I now have are almost a year old. The journals are skimpy. I mean JBL at 125. That's it. No JETS which was promised at the ETS in 2017 that never happened. How many other promises broken?

Please tell me, where to get journals? The academic lead at FL says they are the first step in studies and FL cannot produce. 

If everyone cancels the pre-pubs then maybe it will force a change in FL's sad approach thus far to do much of value here. I vote you all join me in a strike and cancel all journal pre-pubs until a viable solution can be presented to make us believe in FL again because clearly the trust issues have been broken in this thread alone with no genuine show in any fruit of repentance only more excuses.

Thanks!

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 8:50 PM

Theo:

Everett Headley:

Kevin A Lewis:

I suspect - due to the inactivity many will have already gone elsewhere.

I certainly did.  I've been reading updated journals elsewhere.  Frankly, not having it in Logos hasn't been that big of deal to me. 

Okay, I am ready to cancel my journals with FL and go elsewhere.  Why should I invest in a failed system with no proven track record?  If Phil is about to ship, why should I put my money down knowing I will only get a small swath of what I really need that's already outdated on year old pre-pubs.  Clearly, the community has spoken and they have opted out. I wish to join.

Recently, I excitedly opened the new workflow by Dr. Michael S. Heiser.  Then I had questions for him.  When he responded, I found out his method is not as they showed.  Rather his first order of business is journals.

FL has a failed track record on journals.  So since others have gone elsewhere, it is time for me to take the plunge and the empty promises here from Washington State can join what comes out of Washington DC.  It's time for a change,  So let's post where I can get journals.  I can get some from Galaxie.  What are the pros and cons of their system before I invest there?  Where else can I get journals?

Maybe if we change this forum's dialogue into what alternatives are readily available out there then FL will take this forum seriously. I mean come on, did the video chat ever happen?  This system is broken and no one wants to fix it.  Let's move on.

So how about everyone posting all the alternatives to how I can get journals and their plusses and minuses.  Why invest here for only more empty promises?  

The pre-pubs I now have are almost a year old. The journals are skimpy. I mean JBL at 125. That's it. No JETS which was promised at the ETS in 2017 that never happened. How many other promises broken?

Please tell me, where to get journals? The academic lead at FL says they are the first step in studies and FL cannot produce. 

If everyone cancels the pre-pubs then maybe it will force a change in FL's sad approach thus far to do much of value here. I vote you all join me in a strike and cancel all journal pre-pubs until a viable solution can be presented to make us believe in FL again because clearly the trust issues have been broken in this thread alone with no genuine show in any fruit of repentance only more excuses.

Thanks!

The primary collection of journals I use are from Galaxie (Galaxie.com). They offer everything that's been in the Galaxie TJL Logos used to offer.

Overall I can get to all of the Galaxie journals easily on Galaxie.com, and I can easily download PDF copies of the journals.

The only drawback with searching Galaixe journals for me is I can't easily search a Bible reference with a topic in the Galaxie search interface like I can with Logos, although there are workarounds.

The extended tagging Logos was working on for the Guides in terms of Journals never were a huge asset for me, as I generally ran my own searches in the stock search engine and didn't levelerage the Journals Guides section.

JETS is available standalone at the JETS website, but for a little more, Galaxie offers JETS and more.

JBL is availalble from the SBL website (in all fairness, all Bible software platforms cap off JBL at a certain level and aren't offering new JBL volumes), so if you want JBL (and RBL), the SBL website is the place to go to remain current.

The Master's Seminary Journal is free from their website, and Themileos is free from their website (as well as they do keep the Logos editions current for free). Other seminaries (SWBTS and Luther Rice, my two seminaries) offer their journals for free, as do some other websites I've browsed.

There's some stuff outside of Galaxie I've needed from ATLA, EBSCO and ProQuest I can get from my seminary library (and if you need ATLA, EBSCO, ProQuest access, maybe you can see if a local seminary will let you purchase a paetron membership access to it).

Then from there it just depends on what you want, and you can find different sites with different journals either free or at different subscriptions.

Nathan Parker

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 10:15 PM

JBL is availalble from the SBL website (in all fairness, all Bible software platforms cap off JBL at a certain level and aren't offering new JBL volumes), so if you want JBL (and RBL), the SBL website is the place to go to remain current.

Thank you for pointing this out and for all the helpful advice above.

I probably should have toned down my rhetoric. It's no excuse but I am having some issues I'm trying to work out, so I apologize for my frustrations boiling over in here, but it is clear to everyone in this forum FL remains ever clueless.

This beast of academic journals is presently at least untamable. We just need to do as you have done and go out and get what we can alone by piecemeal apparently as the only viable solution.  That is the only way forward since a company as good as FL cannot find a solution, I'm sure not going to be able to find it either without diversifying as you have done. I will be looking more carefully into Galaxie as it seems to be the only viable alternative since FL has failed on delivering due to a lack of response in the pre-pubs and many other repeated promises of JETS and the like.  Clearly, if there was a solution they would have found it by now and have not. This is their profession. How can we if they cannot even manage it?

There is no such thing as good news in this forum other than other news. We are all human and often fail. I do every day. I no longer need to wait for FL to save the day and stop having any expectations from them in this regard. It's simply time to do as others have and move on.  So if any others out there have other news on how to get journal access, I'd appreciate the feedback! Thanks!

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2019 10:15 PM

Thank you for pointing this out and for all the helpful advice above. 

I probably should have toned down my rhetoric. It's no excuse but I am having some issues I'm trying to work out, so I apologize for my frustrations boiling over in here, but it is clear to everyone in this forum FL remains ever clueless.

This beast of academic journals is presently at least untamable. We just need to do as you have done and go out and get what we can alone by piecemeal apparently as the only viable solution.  That is the only way forward since a company as good as FL cannot find a solution, I'm sure not going to be able to find it either without diversifying as you have done. I will be looking more carefully into Galaxie as it seems to be the only viable alternative since FL has failed on delivering due to a lack of response in the pre-pubs and many other repeated promises of JETS and the like.  Clearly, if there was a solution they would have found it by now and have not. This is their profession. How can we if they cannot even manage it?

There is no such thing as good news in this forum other than other news. We are all human and often fail. I do every day. I no longer need to wait for FL to save the day and stop having any expectations from them in this regard. It's simply time to do as others have and move on.  So if any others out there have other news on how to get journal access, I'd appreciate the feedback! Thanks!

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 4:56 AM

Mattillo:

Charlene:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark:

So today I was searching for an article by S. Lewis Johnson, Jr and found it in The Masters Seminary Journal Vol 20 dated 2009.  But alas, in Logos, we only have up to vol 18. Sigh...

Neither we nor Galaxie have updates to this journal. Unfortunately, they're in an exclusive arrangement that won't allow others to offer it.

How sad, especially since you can get the PDF of the journal from them for free, without a subscription.

I agree. Just because Galaxy doesn't have them, you'd think they could just get them from Masters Seminary themselves or convert for free

Oh brother...yes, I did get it online and downloaded it for free.  You know you can do that with many journals....thus there is no need for Faithlife to produce these resources.  This really highlights how no one needs Logos at all.  Why have a program that integrates resources, tags them, lets you search for them and in them?

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 5:25 AM

Ahhh ... sarcasm

Shalom

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 7:30 AM

Kevin A Lewis:

Ahhh ... sarcasm

Shalom

Yes, I echo the frustration with FL over Journals. They’re the first place I turn when doing some research. Would SO appreciate FL taking this seriously for their users who regularly work with journals! 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 8:19 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

David Paul:

Keep us not in suspense...is there any chance that Vetus Testamentum and Novum Testamentum will be added to Logos? Just to be clear, wanting the journals, the supplements, and the congresses. Been asking for these for at least a decade...have THOUSANDS of references to these two journals in my library.

Unfortunately not in the immediate future. I don't remember the details on these, but I think it was a closed door last time we checked.

Very disappointing. I just emailed Brill to expressed my current disappointment and hopeful desire that circumstances will change in a positive way.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 8:26 AM

Nathan Parker:
if you need ATLA, EBSCO, ProQuest access, maybe you can see if a local seminary will let you purchase a paetron membership access to it

Your local library may have access to these available for free online, but even so, it is a chore and colossal waste of time to have to search out all of these materials piece by piece and by hand, compared to having the hyperlinks in Logos present the info instantly. I want LOGOS access.

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Brooks Cochran | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 8:36 AM

Galaxie has the journals available via a competitors program.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 11:07 AM

Brooks Cochran:

Galaxie has the journals available via a competitors program.

I'm not aware of any that are up to date though, compared to what as advertised available online directly through Galaxie.

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Thom Blair (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 11:38 AM

Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce we have a ship Date for Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20. More info here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/179672/1038571.aspx#

Thanks for your patience thus far!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 1:46 PM

Thom Blair (Faithlife):
I'm pleased to announce we have a ship Date for Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20.

Looking forward to finally having this in my library!

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 5:02 PM

So I checked what is new to me and learned that ALL the journals that are NEW to me are not yet available.  So from what I can see, you are going to have us pay for this upgrade and in return we get to wait until they are produced?  I am not sure what feelings I have right now.

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 5:17 PM

Thom Blair (Faithlife):

Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce we have a ship Date for Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20. More info here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/179672/1038571.aspx#

Thanks for your patience thus far!

Well, finally some real concrete news of action! Thank you! Now that this major hurdle has been addressed and a plan for annual releases has been addressed and the tagging is even there (is this the full tagging currently done for all journals that made it through full pre-pub process previously?)

Now that all of that has been addressed what of the current 4.1 packages that were scheduled to be released quarterly? It will be a year in May and these were to be quarterly releases?

I know FL cannot keep producing products that do not achieve profitability. What're the teams plan for them?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 10:41 PM

Mark:

So I checked what is new to me and learned that ALL the journals that are NEW to me are not yet available.  So from what I can see, you are going to have us pay for this upgrade and in return we get to wait until they are produced?  I am not sure what feelings I have right now.

For those who haven’t seen Phil’s reply to Mark’s question in another thread please see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/179672/1038659.aspx#1038659 

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