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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 8:03 PM

My sales rep is trying to find out specifically what I need to do.

If Phil can answer the question I posted earlier, that would clarify it for me.

I don't think Mark's answer is 100% in line with what Phil mentioned, so I'd like clarification from Phil.

Personally, I don't mind subscribing to the Galaxie subscription, plus waiting for more Master Journal Bundles to hit pre-pub, but before I shell out any money on the Galaxie subscription, I'd like to hear more from Phil first.

Nathan Parker

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 8:11 PM

I find it odd the sales team are as clueless as we are 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 10:24 PM

Nathan Parker:
1. Go ahead and signup for it?

The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it. :)

Nathan Parker:
2. Wait until Q1 of 2020 and signup for the "subscription ownership" service?

I'm not sure if/when we'll offer it on the Galaxie products. So that's probably not a viable short-term option if staying current with Galaxie journals is important to you.

Nathan Parker:
On that new service, I wish you could also offer a way to "scan" my Logos library and show me any collections that are "missing" books (especially commentary sets), and offer a "Complete My Collection" subscription price on those (similar to how iTunes once did "Compete My Album" if I owned individual songs from an album and pay a fee to complete the album). I know you offer something similar with Dynamic Pricing, but I need to find a way to at-a-glance have the Logos Store show me what collections I have that are missing books so I know what collections I want to top off and keep current (I take a guess at the moment, but I still don't always keep up with it).

We are working on better exposing a way to generate a list of all the products you have partial ownership of.

Nathan Parker:
On the Logos Journal Bundles, I wonder if instead of the version numbers (which have been a little confusing) if you set the journal bundles by year instead (so all of the 2019 journals in a "Master Journal Bundle 2019", etc). That might make it easier to understand what bundles offer what.

Perhaps, but which year? The year we post it or the year it ships. :) We might end up like the car industry, which always confuses me with car model years.

We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 10:46 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it. :)

We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.

Thank you, Phil, once again for this! Big Smile I sure pray all goes out smoothly rather than as the latest rounds!

Please let the sales team know that from now on you will keep extending Galaxie as you are granted access and existing owners should plan to follow the pre-pub for new releases (e.g. the owners of 1–20 should look for the new 1-22 updated pre-pub and not bother with the subscription for "ownership" of Galaxie modules.) The Galaxie subscription is only for temporary access as long as the service is continued. 

I sincerely do hope this means we are back to where we were. I also hope it means others this time will support Phil and his team in the pre-pub orders, so this can be the new reality/norm. I believe this is obviously a positive step forward if I understand Phil correctly.


My concern only then is why others would choose not to support this model. FL wishes to gives us quarterly (timely) releases "in faith" again.  It was previously not supported and thus failed due to the lack of the proper level of a loyal customer base.

Can others now please let us know what is the problem with this model? Why they would choose to not support it? Is it merely they have already gone elsewhere for journals? FL needs a viable solution. Phil is offering a plausible way forward here. What prevents the community from supporting this decision which failed last time? If it is something Phil and his team can resolve now, perhaps we can all benefit and avoid the continued game of "journals in limbo?" That certainly would be nice! Does anyone wish to enlighten us once more on why quarterly releases in a timely manner by FL would not work for them?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 10:46 PM

The 5.1 bundles should be posted tomorrow or later this week. We're finalizing a few details. We hope to ship them in Q1 (see my previous comment about our decision to treat these updates as pre-orders rather than Pre-Pubs).

Galaxie TJL 1–22 should be available in the next month or two, both for purchase and via subscription.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2019 11:30 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Nathan Parker:
1. Go ahead and signup for it?

The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it. :)

Nathan Parker:
2. Wait until Q1 of 2020 and signup for the "subscription ownership" service?

I'm not sure if/when we'll offer it on the Galaxie products. So that's probably not a viable short-term option if staying current with Galaxie journals is important to you.

Nathan Parker:
On that new service, I wish you could also offer a way to "scan" my Logos library and show me any collections that are "missing" books (especially commentary sets), and offer a "Complete My Collection" subscription price on those (similar to how iTunes once did "Compete My Album" if I owned individual songs from an album and pay a fee to complete the album). I know you offer something similar with Dynamic Pricing, but I need to find a way to at-a-glance have the Logos Store show me what collections I have that are missing books so I know what collections I want to top off and keep current (I take a guess at the moment, but I still don't always keep up with it).

We are working on better exposing a way to generate a list of all the products you have partial ownership of.

Nathan Parker:
On the Logos Journal Bundles, I wonder if instead of the version numbers (which have been a little confusing) if you set the journal bundles by year instead (so all of the 2019 journals in a "Master Journal Bundle 2019", etc). That might make it easier to understand what bundles offer what.

Perhaps, but which year? The year we post it or the year it ships. :) We might end up like the car industry, which always confuses me with car model years.

We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.

Perfect. Thanks for the info. I'll hold off doing anything until I see what you post on Galaxie, then decide what is the best path forward to stay current (which sounds like ownership is the best way to continue).

On the journal bundles, I was thinking of per year the journals themselves are released, so a "Master Bundle 2019" would include all of the journals released in print/online in 2019, etc. That way at-a-glance, we could see what bundles have what year's journals are available without digging. It could also possibly make for more affordable bundles for those who want particular years, or they can combine years to "get them all".

Nathan Parker

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2019 12:19 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

The 5.1 bundles should be posted tomorrow or later this week. We're finalizing a few details. We hope to ship them in Q1 (see my previous comment about our decision to treat these updates as pre-orders rather than Pre-Pubs).

Galaxie TJL 1–22 should be available in the next month or two, both for purchase and via subscription.

Thanks, Phil! I have another reply to your previous post awaiting approval. This is good to know.

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2019 1:13 AM

Hi Phil

First let me say thank you for the release of the latest journal offerings - it is much appreciated here. Please pass on my/our thanks to all and for the hard work in getting this ready and out the door.

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.

Also let me add that this news/announcement is very welcome and should start to redress the concerns many of had here regarding Faithlife commitment to a comprehensive production cycle for journals.

May God bless your endeavours and give them prosperity. (now that might open a can of worms!)

Shalom Kevin

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 1 2019 4:09 AM

Kevin A Lewis:

Hi Phil

First let me say thank you for the release of the latest journal offerings - it is much appreciated here. Please pass on my/our thanks to all and for the hard work in getting this ready and out the door.

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.

Also let me add that this news/announcement is very welcome and should start to redress the concerns many of had here regarding Faithlife commitment to a comprehensive production cycle for journals.

May God bless your endeavours and give them prosperity. (now that might open a can of worms!)

Shalom Kevin

Agreed!  This is very comforting news!

Disclaimer:  I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication.  If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:20 PM

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past.

I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals?

Here is one suggestion:

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/

Is it possible to add this?

What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued?

It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it?

I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:24 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

The 5.1 bundles should be posted tomorrow or later this week. We're finalizing a few details. We hope to ship them in Q1 (see my previous comment about our decision to treat these updates as pre-orders rather than Pre-Pubs).

Galaxie TJL 1–22 should be available in the next month or two, both for purchase and via subscription.

As promised, if one has not been paying attention, Phil and his team have delivered! The new journal updates are live and in production! We apparently are finally on the right track! Let's support them in the bundle of one's choice:

https://www.logos.com/product/185141/master-journal-bundle-51

https://www.logos.com/product/185142


https://www.logos.com/product/185143

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:32 PM

Either they played with the journal contents or I’m mixing up my journals. 

 I got this one last month: https://www.logos.com/product/154055/tjl-upgrade-bundle-41 

 But this one is vastly more expensive: https://www.logos.com/product/185143/theology-journal-bundle-51 

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:41 PM

Theo:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past.

I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals?

Here is one suggestion:

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/

Is it possible to add this?

What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued?

It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it?

I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?

Here's the "mother" site to the above journal. There are a number of journals here. Have any of these been pursued?

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/peer_review_list.html

Otherwise, for those interested in journals here are a few you may not have known about here.

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:48 PM

Theo:

Theo:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past.

I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals?

Here is one suggestion:

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/

Is it possible to add this?

What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued?

It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it?

I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?

Here's the "mother" site to the above journal. There are a number of journals here. Have any of these been pursued?

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/peer_review_list.html

Otherwise, for those interested in journals here are a few you may not have known about here.

I found one more Phil!

https://journals.tdl.org/jat/index.php/jat

or

https://journals.tdl.org/jat/index.php/jat/index

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 7:59 PM

Theo:

Hi Phil,

Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past.

I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals?

Here is one suggestion:

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/

Is it possible to add this?

What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued?

It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it?

I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?

Phil, I know the managing editor and reached out to him. I sent you a DM. You should be able to pursue at least this journal. Just contact him. Perhaps the above-mentioned journals can make their way into the next bundles beyond 5.1???

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 6 2019 8:02 PM

All of the above journals are free and in pdf format. So anyone can avail themselves of the content. I just hope Phil can secure them for Logos! With the tagging this will improve content and be good for all!

Does anyone else know of good journals freely available online that I can share with my students in Asia either already in Logos or like these not yet a part of journals here?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 3:18 PM

Nice!

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 12 2019 6:51 PM

Travis Walter:

Any news when the Masters Bundle is going to be ready?  I assume that if we have pre-ordered the Masters Bundle, that we would be receiving the galaxie journal bundle when it is released.  Can this be confirmed?

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 12 2019 8:05 PM

Mark:

Travis Walter:

Any news when the Masters Bundle is going to be ready?  I assume that if we have pre-ordered the Masters Bundle, that we would be receiving the galaxie journal bundle when it is released.  Can this be confirmed?

While I suspect w/o looking there may, in fact, be some overlap, I think presently in this case, the Master Bundle covers all of the other journals FL bundles in Logos, but not every one of them FL offers singularly. I own the Master bundle and do not own every single journal FL offers.

Now as for Galaxie then I think to answer your question, in my opinion, it is entirely a different matter altogether as it is not FL doing it themselves, but FL leasing it from Galaxie, as a middleman of sorts, and thus it is not a part of FL's bundles in particular unless their materials happen by chance to overlap which in some cases they do.

Galaxie gives us what FL cannot provide via their agreements, but some of the titles offered in Galaxie FL does have an agreement to offer to us otherwise (thus the need for Galaxie when FL does not have such agreements). FL journals are superior in their functionality within the program though. Galaxie can be rented or bought. Once bought though it is with the customer's account. If rented, it can disappear as FL and Galaxie ceased operations at least once previously.

Now all this to say is if one buys both, whichever lands 2nd will be discounted via dynamic pricing to reflect what may be duplicated in each one, but I think in this regard we have two separate things. You yourself can go to each page and see which journals are included in each and see e.g., that JETS is in the Galaxie and not in the Master. Therefore, JETS can be rented or owned but it simply will not have the superior tagging and functionality offered in FL's in-house offerings within Logos or Verbum. 

BTW, if one were to in the same sense buy a smaller FL journal bundle and then also buy the Master afterward, the same thing would occur, You never pay twice for the same item aside from future editions which obviously are not the same thing but new offerings altogether. The Master bundle would reflect dynamic pricing and be reduced for what items you already own from the smaller bundle(s).

I hope this sheds some light as journals here have been a bit on the tricky side at times thus the length of this thread with its long history of discussion sorting matters like these out.

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