No NEW Journals - why not?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 16 2017 10:52 AM

I realize this is Oxford and they don't always play well, but I would very much like to see Journal of Theological Studies made available in Logos. It can't happen soon enough, but affordable, please. I need the last 20-30 years.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 16 2017 1:57 PM

David Paul:

I realize this is Oxford and they don't always play well, but I would very much like to see Journal of Theological Studies made available in Logos. It can't happen soon enough, but affordable, please. I need the last 20-30 years.

What!!!! $42 USD for a 24hr short term access to an article? Does a gold ring come included with it? No way José!!! They're crazy and the article contributes ZERO to my salvation! They don't play well, really? I think that's an understatement! They're crazy 😜 

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 18 2017 7:57 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):
We are still working on this project. I'm sorry it keeps getting pushed back. However, we now have one person who will own the project going forward, which means it won't have to fight for the attention of multiple stakeholders.

Journals, current journals, are essential to research, and, in my opinion, essential to Logos! Not all of us who use Logos are resident in an academic institution where journals are at hand. Having access in my Logos library is the original reason I chose Logos and it's still most needed! Please expedite journals!

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 4:17 PM

Jerry Smith:

 Please expedite journals!

This is never going to happen.  You can search the forums for my other posts on journals and you can see what is currently available.  There are now journals not available in Logos, you have to go to other software.  Prices have gone up what is available, and when the finally get released it is far slower that what Galaxie used to offer.  We were promised updates on a quicker schedule, that has been pushed back much further than is really necessary. 

I recommend that if you need journals, you move outside the Logos ecosystem. I personally have a yearly subscription to Galaxie.  

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 4:51 PM

I wonder what the issue is

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 5:55 PM
Mattillo:

I wonder what the issue is

No new journals, no volumes, no issues. Wink
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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 6:38 PM

PetahChristian:
Mattillo:

I wonder what the issue is

No new journals, no volumes, no issues. Wink

FAIthLife jumping into an idea to quickly without fully understanding the implications. 

Journals should have been left in the hands of Galaxie, good intentions do not make journals accessible to FL customers and quite possibly has burned some bridges. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 6:48 PM

Let's back the truck a bit.

There's two different journal purchasers. One is happy to buy periodically for article-specific searches. That's me. I don't need recent journals, but a grouping now and then is great. Done deal.

Then there's the folks needing a steady recent-issue diet.

Phil seems to struggle with the size of the latter. Is it sustainable?


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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 6:53 PM

At the moment no grouocis getting anything like Galaxie used to be able to produce. The addition  CT seems to be the consolation prize for missing out on everything else.

Denise:

Let's back the truck a bit.

There's two different journal purchasers. One is happy to buy periodically for article-specific searches. That's me. I don't need recent journals, but a grouping now and then is great. Done deal.

Then there's the folks needing a steady recent-issue diet.

Phil seems to struggle with the size of the latter. Is it sustainable?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 20 2017 7:42 PM

I'm not a large journal purchaser at all but there are certain journals I'd like to purchase without being forced to buy some massive set. I do hope it gets fixed one day. I'd love to see JETS come back as well as master's seminary back in the mix. If also like to update my bibliotheca sacra set

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 22 2017 7:33 PM

Here's something I'd like to see...

I'd like for Faithlife to re-team up with Galaxie Software to add a guide section to Logos that would pull in web searches of Galaxie's journals website into Logos like it does for SermonCentral, etc. It would still require a Galaxie subscription to ensure full access to the results. Faithlife can still work to get journals back into Logos whether it wants to continue to direct-license them or re-strike a deal with Galaxie to provide the content licenses (and Faithlife can still handle the tagging of the journals).

This would give people the best of both worlds: Full Logos editions of journals whenever they're produced and access to the latest journals direct from Galaxie but still accessible from guides within Logos.

Nathan Parker

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 22 2017 7:58 PM

Some merit Nathan in what you are suggesting but for a major flaw - I would be paying twice. I'm not prepared to pay twice so FL would be adding to the software another web service for which they receive no return. I am prepared to pay either Galaxie or FL but not both to get the same content on differevt time frames and there would be no urgency for FL to deliver.

Nathan Parker:

Here's something I'd like to see...

I'd like for Faithlife to re-team up with Galaxie Software to add a guide section to Logos that would pull in web searches of Galaxie's journals website into Logos like it does for SermonCentral, etc. It would still require a Galaxie subscription to ensure full access to the results. Faithlife can still work to get journals back into Logos whether it wants to continue to direct-license them or re-strike a deal with Galaxie to provide the content licenses (and Faithlife can still handle the tagging of the journals).

This would give people the best of both worlds: Full Logos editions of journals whenever they're produced and access to the latest journals direct from Galaxie but still accessible from guides within Logos.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 22 2017 8:52 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Some merit Nathan in what you are suggesting but for a major flaw - I would be paying twice. I'm not prepared to pay twice so FL would be adding to the software another web service for which they receive no return. I am prepared to pay either Galaxie or FL but not both to get the same content on differevt time frames and there would be no urgency for FL to deliver.

Nathan Parker:

Here's something I'd like to see...

I'd like for Faithlife to re-team up with Galaxie Software to add a guide section to Logos that would pull in web searches of Galaxie's journals website into Logos like it does for SermonCentral, etc. It would still require a Galaxie subscription to ensure full access to the results. Faithlife can still work to get journals back into Logos whether it wants to continue to direct-license them or re-strike a deal with Galaxie to provide the content licenses (and Faithlife can still handle the tagging of the journals).

This would give people the best of both worlds: Full Logos editions of journals whenever they're produced and access to the latest journals direct from Galaxie but still accessible from guides within Logos.

True, and I probably could have worded it better that this would give people the "option" of the best of both worlds. For those who certainly don't wait to pay twice, they'll have to make a major decision: wait for Faithlife to deliver journals inside Logos if they want to continue to have full-fledged journals in Logos no matter how long the wait, or subscribe to Galaxie and always get the latest journals, and while still web-based, there'd be some basic access in Logos through the guides for those who decide to go the subscription route.

I'll probably subscribe to Galaxie to ensure I'm current with journals since I'm in the academic field and need them current, and I'll likely bite the bullet and pay up twice for full Logos journals since I'm more used to performing journal searches in Logos, that's when/if Faithlife gets the new journal options added. :-)

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Mike Aubrey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 23 2017 2:20 PM

We love using the journals as much you all of you do!

We're working on a new posting schedule for journals at this very moment. In the next week or two, we should have that new calendar schedule for regular posting of new journals. We also have a new update to the journal bundles coming down the pipeline.

The plan moving forward is more consistency and we definitely want to make sure that we can keep up with new issues as they come.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 23 2017 3:19 PM

I haven't bought any journals for years because Logos has STONEWALLED the two journals I have wanted for the last decade or so. If they get the Oxford journal I mentioned above (JTS), or VT & NT, then I will buy more. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 23 2017 3:22 PM

Mike Aubrey:
We also have a new update to the journal bundles coming down the pipeline.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 23 2017 3:56 PM

Mike Aubrey:

We love using the journals as much you all of you do!

We're working on a new posting schedule for journals at this very moment. In the next week or two, we should have that new calendar schedule for regular posting of new journals. We also have a new update to the journal bundles coming down the pipeline.

The plan moving forward is more consistency and we definitely want to make sure that we can keep up with new issues as they come.

This is good news! If possible please makes smaller bundles too so it is easier for non journal owners to jump into the mix. I hope JETS makes it back and I'd love to see Masters seminary back too.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 24 2017 5:57 PM

Here's another suggestion for Faithlife...

I understand that Faithlife likes to control the as much of the Logos experience as possible.

Faithlife thought that it could license journals outside of Galaxie and offer a higher quality experience at a lower cost by going it alone.

Unfortunately, as we've seen, it didn't work out too well. Faithlife is now extremely behind in journal releases compared to going for a Galaxie subscription or dealing with other Bible software platforms (one other platform remains pretty much current with Galaxie, and the other platform is in the process of getting current with Galaxie's offering at the moment).

Here's the ideal solution should Faithlife wish to go for it.

1. Go back to Galaxie for the licensing of TJL. Offer a TJL 16-20 upgrade for those of us who own 1-15, and begin offering TJL each year. From what I know, the bridge between Galaxie and Faithlife hasn't been burned, and Galaxie would likely be open to a licensing deal with Faithlife.

2. Allow Faithlife to handle the additional tagging of the journals so the citations are fully built out (I know citations in TJL in the past as a little weak), plus add the additional tagging to allow them to show up in the journals section of the guide.

3. In terms of pricing, I'd be willing to pay a little more for the new TJL library upgrades each year for the extra tagging provided Faithlife kept the TJL upgrades rolling. Galaxie is $50/year for the website (and TJL was $50/year in Logos). I'd be willing to pay about $70-75/year for the extra tagging in TJL to ensure I had current journals in Logos that had fully built citations and integrated with journals in the guide.

4. For the journals that Galaxie doesn't offer (what Faithlife offered in the Master Journal Bundles), it could still go out directly to those journal publishes and negotiate for them (although I use TJL the most), possibly even offering TJL+those journals in a new Master Journal Bundle.

Galaxie is pretty much the experts at getting licensing on TJL. I think it'd be worth it for Faithlife to work with them again for the journal licensing, then do the tagging in-house.

Nathan Parker

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 24 2017 6:40 PM

Nathan,

I don't think Faithlife thought they could produce these at the same price as Galaxie. Galaxie never did fix all there errors, It became impossible for what they were charging to invest too much into the product. They used volunteers to produce the older back issues of Bib Sac and that didn't turn out so well.

Logos decided to go it alone mainly for one reason "Quality Control", but of course there were other reasons as well, such as the ability of tag the resources as they required them for use with new features. If they had stayed with Galaxie we never would have had the Journal guide feature in the passage guide. It just would have been cost prohibitive at the prices Galaxie was charging, for them to go back and redo their whole catalog.

I think asking to get all that tagging on Vol 16 to 20 for an extra 25.00 is extremely unrealistic to expect. Galaxie had a decent product for a very cheap price, and some have been spoiled by that, but I think for the Logos ecosystem those days are long gone.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:16 PM

Bobby Terhune:
Galaxie had a decent product for a very cheap price, and some have been spoiled by that, but I think for the Logos ecosystem those days are long gone.

I will not be surprised if there are quite a number of us who would be happy to see Nathan's suggestions put into practice.  Glad to hear that the bridge was not burned on Galaxie's side.

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