Dynamic Pricing on Crossway Elyse Fitzpatrick Collection (3 Vols.)?

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DBR | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 23 2017 2:32 AM

I have the book Give them grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus in Vyrso format. It is included in the above mentioned collection. Is it true that Logos will upgrade a Vyrso book that is brought into Logos? Will that happen with this book and if so, is there dynamic pricing? According to this thread, others have dynamic pricing for other Crossway books in prepub that they purchased in Vyrso. I also have Counsel from the Cross in Vyrso format, but it is the 2009 edition and not the 2012 edition so I expect these are different.

On another note, is Faithlife supposed to pull books from Vyrso that make the Logos cut? I have found several books that are offered in both places. I know Vyrso isn't heavily policed, but I wonder if those books should be pulled from Vyrso. Also, if we own any of these books, should Faithlife upgrade these books to Logos editions?

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2017 4:06 AM

So, I've bought it from Vyrso, highlighted it.  Then its pulled.  Bye-bye highlights.  Not cool.

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2017 4:44 AM

I wouldn't think the highlights would go away if it is upgraded to a Logos edition. I would think that highlights would go along with it. Anyone who has experienced an upgraded book have a comment?

What if Logos pulls a book for publisher or contract issues? Do all your highlights go away then? If that is the case, why would I ever highlight anything in the Logos eco system at all unless I knew the book would be in their catalog forever.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2017 8:27 AM

David Ruley:
I have the book Give them grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus in Vyrso format. It is included in the above mentioned collection. Is it true that Logos will upgrade a Vyrso book that is brought into Logos?

That is correct.

David Ruley:
Will that happen with this book and if so, is there dynamic pricing?

It should. I don't know in what order that happens in terms of dynamic pricing. Let me check on that.

David Ruley:
On another note, is Faithlife supposed to pull books from Vyrso that make the Logos cut? I have found several books that are offered in both places. I know Vyrso isn't heavily policed, but I wonder if those books should be pulled from Vyrso.

They should be pulled. Because of the volume of books on Vyrso we often don't catch them all (and theoretically there could be an instance where the old edition is available on Logos and the new edition is on Vryso or vice versa--as you pointed out with Counsel from the Cross).

David Ruley:
Also, if we own any of these books, should Faithlife upgrade these books to Logos editions?

It would depend on when you bought them and when they were first available in Logos format. If the former happened before the latter, then you should have a Logos edition.

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2017 9:17 AM

Thanks Ben! Your responses have been very helpful with fixing user issues. This is exactly the information I was looking for. Maybe we need to start a thread just like the dynamic pricing thread to let you know about duplicate books. 

The main one I see right now is Rediscovering Holiness by Packer. It is bundled in a two volume collection which may be why it was missed. The Vyrso version is here. Other than that, I am not seeing too many duplicates at the moment. If I find others I will let you know.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2017 10:28 AM

David Ruley:

Thanks Ben! Your responses have been very helpful with fixing user issues. This is exactly the information I was looking for. Maybe we need to start a thread just like the dynamic pricing thread to let you know about duplicate books. 

The main one I see right now is Rediscovering Holiness by Packer. It is bundled in a two volume collection which may be why it was missed. The Vyrso version is here. Other than that, I am not seeing too many duplicates at the moment. If I find others I will let you know.

Why would U make it Ur mission, when other people like myself, would rather this be left alone?

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 19 2017 10:18 PM

Just wanted to follow up on this now that the collection is no longer in Pre-pub. Do I get an upgrade? I know I purchased the books in October of last year, but not sure when the Pre-pub started. Thanks.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 2:26 AM

David Ruley:

Just wanted to follow up on this now that the collection is no longer in Pre-pub. Do I get an upgrade? I know I purchased the books in October of last year, but not sure when the Pre-pub started. Thanks.

If the Logos resource is a new edition, there is no dynamic pricing or free upgrade from an older edition.

However, two of the Logos books in the Crossway Elyse Fitzpatrick Collection seem to be the same 2009 edition as the Vyrso information from my library:

  • Fitzpatrick, Elyse, and Dennis E. Johnson. Counsel from the Cross: Connecting Broken People to the Love of Christ. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2009.

  • Fitzpatrick, Elyse. Comforts from the Cross: Celebrating the Gospel One Day at a Time. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2009.

I bought the Vyrso editions of Counsel from the Cross, and Comforts from the Cross in November to use with PD101. I don't see any dynamic pricing, and the older resources have not been updated in the last 5-6 years:

LLS:8C0DA26A76B141A971FB29306D3850EF
2011-09-14T05:06:39Z
8C0DA26A76B141A971FB29306D3850EF.logos4

LLS:02892B83D1A8AC252E18205654A6D0E3
2011-09-14T05:09:37Z
02892B83D1A8AC252E18205654A6D0E3.logos4

FYI, the Logos resources are LLS:COMFORTSCROSS and LLS:COUNSELCROSS. I assume that the different resource names prevent the system from automatically upgrading or dynamically discounting the Vyrso resources. (It also means that anyone who buys the Logos editions can't presently use them with the Mobile Ed course.)

Whatever FL decides to do, please don't break any Mobile Ed links!

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 2:41 AM

David Ruley:
I also have Counsel from the Cross in Vyrso format, but it is the 2009 edition and not the 2012 edition so I expect these are different.

According to this resource page, it is the 2009 edition:

I don't own the Logos edition, so I can't check information from the resource itself.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 3:53 AM

PetahChristian:
Whatever FL decides to do, please don't break any Mobile Ed links!

Interesting. 

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 4:01 AM

Crossway calls it a "redesign" which doesn't sound like a new edition, just new cover and maybe formatting. I imagine they are the same book. I did notice that the Mobile Ed courses were linked to the Vyrso books as well so that may be why they haven't done anything with it yet. Can anyone who owns the Logos version comment on the version for Counsel from the Cross?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 8:53 AM

We still have Logos and Vyrso LLS resources for what appear to be the same editions. Are there any plans to resolve this publishing issue?

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 9:47 AM

PetahChristian:

We still have Logos and Vyrso LLS resources for what appear to be the same editions. Are there any plans to resolve this publishing issue?

You may need to create a new thread. What is the issue? 

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 9:54 AM

The issue is whether we should be upgraded from a Vyrso to a Logos version of the books in this collection. The heading of the thread may be misleading, but I wasn't sure how to title it. New collections never have dynamic pricing unless the individual books are offered separately prior to the collection being offered or if the books are coming into Logos from Vyrso. My initial question was about getting credit for books owned already in Vyrso since I had an indication that others were getting dynamic pricing on the Crossway collections for books they owned in Vyrso. I got some insight on my question, but never an answer. I was getting ready to bump this thread again.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 9:55 AM

alabama24:
You may need to create a new thread. What is the issue? 

To summarize the details above:

  • FL apparently sells Vyrso and Logos formats of the same editions.
  • Same edition of Vyrso version has not been upgraded to Logos version.
  • Lack of dynamic pricing on Logos collection for those who owned the Vyrso version.

Ideally hoping to not end up with two different copies of (and two different resource-specific notes from) the identical books in Logos. Would appreciate getting Vyrso books updated to superior Logos format, along with dynamic pricing for books we owned in Vyrso.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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DBR | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 9:56 AM

David Ruley:

I have the book Give them grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus in Vyrso format. It is included in the above mentioned collection. Is it true that Logos will upgrade a Vyrso book that is brought into Logos? Will that happen with this book and if so, is there dynamic pricing? According to this thread, others have dynamic pricing for other Crossway books in prepub that they purchased in Vyrso. I also have Counsel from the Cross in Vyrso format, but it is the 2009 edition and not the 2012 edition so I expect these are different.

This is the question, never answered.

Edit: Sorry for the double post. For some reason the original post didn't show up for me even after a refresh and I didn't want to type it again.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 10:21 AM

PetahChristian - You should create a new thread in the General forum. Make sure to provide all relevant details. 

PetahChristian:
FL apparently sells Vyrso and Logos formats of the same editions.

When FL had a full time Vyrso employee, he always told me that FL never intended to have two editions sold at the same time. I thought it was curious that a mobile ed course was using a Vyrso edition. Perhaps this has caused two editions to be continued to be sold, but it may just be that they forgot to retire the prior. 

PetahChristian:
Same edition of Vyrso version has not been upgraded to Logos version

Most of the time in the past, a separate resource was created, so users would have two copies. More recently, FL seems to have replaced one for the other. This may cause broken links / highlights.

PetahChristian:
two different resource-specific notes

That shouldnt be an issue. The note document is built based on the name of the resource (which I am opposed to, but that is another topic). If for some reason the new resource has a different name, you can either rename the resource OR rename the note document. Either change should mean only one note document. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 10:53 AM

alabama24:
PetahChristian - You should create a new thread in the General forum. Make sure to provide all relevant details.

It's not a similar problem about a different collection. I'm confirming/experiencing the same issue that David posted about, regarding the same collection of books. All relevant details provided!

alabama24:
Most of the time in the past, a separate resource was created, so users would have two copies. More recently, FL seems to have replaced one for the other.

In this particular case, FL appears to have created a separate resource (instead of replacing the Vyrso resource with the Logos resource). David and I didn't get the Logos versions of the Vyrso books. We only have one (Vyrso) copy.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 11:07 AM

PetahChristian:
It's not a similar problem about a different collection. I'm confirming/experiencing the same issue that David posted about

Thanks for clarifying. I will contact Ben. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 3 2017 11:11 AM

PetahChristian:
In this particular case, FL appears to have created a separate resource (instead of replacing the Vyrso resource with the Logos resource). David and I didn't get the Logos versions of the Vyrso books. We only have one (Vyrso) copy.

Just checked, neither did I! Tongue Tied

Hopefully Ben will respond soonish. 

That collection appears to be on sale. March madness? 

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