希伯來文 聖經 第三部份 Ketuvim The Writings 書卷排法 ?

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陶小占 Jimmy To | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 13 2017 2:34 AM

想請問 logos 的希伯來文 聖經, 目錄排序 原則?

例如 Lexham  Hebrew Bible, 

在第三部份Ketuvim The Writings, 好像跟傳統排法有別?

Psalms
Proverbs
Job

Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah
Chronicles (I & II)

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Philip Peng | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 3:43 PM

陶小占 Jimmy To:

想請問 logos 的希伯來文 聖經, 目錄排序 原則?

例如 Lexham  Hebrew Bible, 

在第三部份Ketuvim The Writings, 好像跟傳統排法有別?

Psalms
Proverbs
Job

Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah
Chronicles (I & II)

Hi, Jimmy,

The book order is derived from the Tiberian textual tradition since the LHB is based on the Leningrad Codex.  You can read more here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_Codex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_Codex#Sequence_of_the_books

Our Chinese book order is followed by this order.

Thanks.

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陶小占 Jimmy To | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 20 2017 8:01 PM

Thanks Philip. 

I just curious of the order of Ketuvim in Leningrad Codex. 

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From your reference of wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_Codex#Sequence_of_the_books as below( Chronicles is first) is different to Logos order (Chronicles is last).

The Ketuvim

 Chronicles (I & II) [דברי הימים / Divrei Hayamim]
The "Sifrei Emet," "Books of Truth":
 Psalms [תהלים / Tehilim]
 Job [איוב / Iyov]
 Proverbs [משלי / Mishlei]
The "Five Megilot" or "Five Scrolls":
 Ruth [רות / Rut]
 Song of Songs [שיר השירים / Shir Hashirim]
 Ecclesiastes [קהלת / Kohelet]
 Lamentations [איכה / Eikhah]
 Esther [אסתר / Esther]
The rest of the "Writings":
 Daniel [דניאל / Dani'el]
 Ezra-Nehemiah [עזרא ונחמיה / Ezra ve-Nehemiah]

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Also I found order from WLC is different to Logos ??

http://tanach.us/Tanach.xml 

This Hebrew bible (the Tanach) has been derived from the Westminster Leningrad Codex (WLC) maintained by the J. Alan Groves Center for Advanced Biblical Research by Stephen K. Salisbury ( ManualRelease Notes).

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here is a comparison of 3 version (wiki, WLC, Logos), so which one is correct?

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Steve Runge | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 9:32 AM

Hi Jimmy,

The Leningrad Codex is the preferred order, as it best represents the Massoretic scribal tradition. I would suggest doing some reading on the history of the the canonization of the bible, as things were a lot more fluid quite a bit later than most of us assume.

Referencing the Wikipedia article without looking more closely at the specific order was a mistake on my part, sorry to have caused confusion. I was unaware that having Chronicles first was even attested. I am drawing upon seminary lecture memories from 1996 or so, I should have read more closely. I would also encourage you to look at the German Bible Society version, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, as that is the authoritative scholarly version of L that most scholars (and the Logos edition) follow. I was unaware of Ruth occurring anywhere other than immediately after Proverbs, based ostensibly on the thematic connection between Prov 31 and Ruth being affirmed at as a woman of noble character by Boaz (Ruth 3:11), same wording as in Prov 31.

Knowing now what you are trying to sort out, I would suggest finding an article or book on the history of the Jewish/Hebrew canon formation, as such a resource would provide the details it sounds like you are looking for about the possible reasons for the different orders. All we have are snapshots from different points in time about what orders were used us what geographical areas. 

Hope that helps,

Steve

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陶小占 Jimmy To | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 21 2017 9:58 AM

Thanks Steve your info, 

I confuse before about the version of data set of Leningrad Codex. 

German Bible Society Order? https://www.academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/biblia-hebraica-stuttgartensia-bhs/read-the-bible-text/

UBS publish ? http://www.abmc.org/projects_leningrad.html

With your explanation, I now understand the version of logos is German Bible Society version, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia. 

I may check out other different version ( The Westminster, United Bible Societies ) history and logos data set in Hard Copy Publishing  as your advise. 

Jimmy

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