Pre-pubs not gaining intrest

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:10 AM

I haves seen some books gather interest very very slowly in pre-pub. Some are even copy right free books. I would think that is the reason people do not jump on the pre-pub price. There may be a market for the book(s), but the pre-pub price gets rid of the buyers. It might be a good idea to drop those public domain books to community pricing. Logos can probably pick up the market there. For example the biblical museum

This one is very slow in gaining intrest, I bet if it was placed in community pricing Logos would quickly gain the funds to produce the title. The way it is going now, it will be two years before it gains enough intrest. Just a thought.. I believe the reason public domain does not immediatley go to community pricing is because logos thinks there is a market for them. I would think if this was not true ( people were not really intrested in pre-pub maybe because of price) it should drop into community pricing.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:34 AM

Blair Laird:
This one is very slow in gaining intrest, I bet if it was placed in community pricing Logos would quickly gain the funds to produce the title.

I agree, and I find it very odd which things get into community pricing.  I pre-ordered the Biblical Museum, but it would generate more excitement on Community Pricing.

I also think that all the public domain author collections need to be re-thought.  How many people want to spend money for the entire works of a particular author? Someone doing a doctoral thesis might, but in most cases I want one or two works from these authors.  So I'm not sure the requisite interest will be met.  On the other hand, if they were in community pricing, there would be motivation for bidding, and the price would be set to meet the demand.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:22 PM

Todd Phillips:

Community Pricing.

I also think that all the public domain author collections need to be re-thought. 


Most definitely. Unless the author was a Calvin, Luther, or Augustine. I dont want or need all of their works. But if they were in community pricing I would bid on them.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:42 PM

Todd Phillips:

Blair Laird:
This one is very slow in gaining intrest, I bet if it was placed in community pricing Logos would quickly gain the funds to produce the title.

I agree, and I find it very odd which things get into community pricing.  I pre-ordered the Biblical Museum, but it would generate more excitement on Community Pricing.

Ditto to all of that.

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Luke | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:25 PM

I agree with everyone too.  I rarely even look at the pre-pubs because there are just way to many to look through.  The pure volume of them contributes to the lack of interest. I look at the community pricing page nearly everyday. 

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:40 PM

Luke:

I agree with everyone too.  I rarely even look at the pre-pubs because there are just way to many to look through.  The pure volume of them contributes to the lack of interest. I look at the community pricing page nearly everyday. 


I also look at the community pricing everyday. I believe it does not flourish because of the titles that are offered. This is also one that is slow

http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4586 . I just think if they do not flourish kick them to community pricing so these titles can get produced and not sit gathering interest for years.

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:13 PM

Blair Laird:

This is also one that is slow

http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4586 .

I've also ordered that one already.

Blair Laird:

I just think if they do not flourish kick them to community pricing so these titles can get produced and not sit gathering interest for years.

Well, things can languish in community pricing for years, too. Barnes Notes and Catena Aurea have been there for a l-o-o-o-ng time.

The pre-pub I've been waiting the longest for (since 1/22/2008) is the Lion History Series, and I wish more people wanted it too. There's been some recent interest (mostly drummed up by me I think), but it seems to have plateaued again at about 75%. I think perhaps the reason there's a perception that community pricing can push things through faster is that due to the smaller number of titles there, people can be advocates for them and not feel like they are flooding the forum with "buy this pre-pub please!" messages.

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Luke | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:24 PM

Another reason I (and probably others) check community pricing more is the perceived value.  The pre-pub discounts are helpful, but they don't compare to the heavy discounts in community pricing. 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:45 PM

Luke:

Another reason I (and probably others) check community pricing more is the perceived value.  The pre-pub discounts are helpful, but they don't compare to the heavy discounts in community pricing. 

If something started in pre-pub with a particular price there, and it was languishing there due to lack of interest, are people suggesting Logos should give up on the pre-pub price they were hoping to get for it and let it go into community pricing with a lower potential range of prices?

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 7:56 PM

I agree that public domain works might be better suited for community pricing AND that there may be more interest in either individual works or smaller collections than in large collected works offerings.

I get concerned that the insights of a particular author might reach the level of devotional idolatry when one feels that they should read 40 books from the same author and every sermon or letter they wrote. I want to be helped by Luther, Calvin or Spurgeon in my reading of the Scriptures, not have them read it for me and tell me all I should believe. But that's just my opinion.

Additionally, larger collections may mean less money per book but it's still a larger sum to pay upfront. I think that some of us may be starting to experience buyer fatigue when so many of the offerings come in collections.

Together with that, while I understand that there may be good marketing sense in only offering individual works as part of a whole collection, some of us, who might never be able to buy or actually would not want much of the whole collection are still waiting for a shot at getting individual titles. Since the collection is out, we know the books are ready. This is particularly true of, but not limited to, commentary series and biblical/ministry series.

Finally, if at all possible, it would be great if the prices of titles that do come out individually was less prohibitive (understanding of course that there is a greater discount for buying a collection). I had been waiting for the NIGTC volumes to come out individually and the first I wanted to purchase was Beale's on Revelation. But when I saw it listed for $ 80 that was the end of it.

This being said I don't claim to know what are the economic realities behind pricing policies and I do want to express that while I am frustrated at times by the low ceiling of my wallet, I do appreciate the folks at Logos.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:28 PM

Rosie Perera:
If something started in pre-pub with a particular price there, and it was languishing there due to lack of interest, are people suggesting Logos should give up on the pre-pub price they were hoping to get for it and let it go into community pricing with a lower potential range of prices?

That is what I was thinking. The problem I see with it is no one will ever buy the pre-pub upfront, they willl let it fail. But then again, once the title has made enough money to be produced in community pricing it goes back to pre-pub anyway. It is all gravy for logos after the community pricing anyway. The whole point is to gain so much support that it will pay to produce the title. Logos can produce more titles in community pricing. Some titles may take a few months in Cp whereas it may take a year in Prepub.

 

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