NASB in Paragraph Format

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:07 AM | Locked

Thanks David!

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Tony Baldarelli | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 7:58 AM | Locked

How do I disable paragraph format?  I have read verse by verse format for 30+ years with no problems and so have gotten quite used to it.  I especially want to disable paragraph format on my mobile devices.  If this ability is not there, please add it ASAP.  This was quite a shock this morning, a very unpleasant shock.  I understand people like paragraph format, so I guess I am ok with it being the default, just want the ability to change it back to what I have been using to for the past 30 years.  Thanks.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 8:07 AM | Locked

Hi Tony

To enable verse per line mode on your mobile device you need to set it as one of the Bible Text Only options under View Settings for the resource (accessed by tapping on the Aa icon)

Similar on the desktop - click the "three circles" icon and set as required

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 8:44 AM | Locked

Verse by verse?  Paragraph?  How about just good ol' Greek papyrus format?

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After all, if it was good enough for the Apostle, it's good enough for me.  Wink

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 8:55 AM | Locked

JRS:

Verse by verse?  Paragraph?  How about just good ol' Greek papyrus format?

Or how about Uncial- 

BUTNOWAPARTFROMTHELAWTHERIGHTEOUSNESSOFGODHASBEENMANIFESTEDBEINGWITNESSEDBY...

Too funny!  I laughed out loud!  But would be an interesting feature to have none the less.  Ha!

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 9:14 AM | Locked

Michael S.:
But would be an interesting feature to have none the less.

Interesting thought.  If such a volume were to be produced, just think of how much genuine exegesis would have to be accomplished by even the most casual Bible reader!

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 10:05 AM | Locked

JRS:

Interesting thought.  If such a volume were to be produced,... 

I don't think a separate volume would need to be produced, just a format option for existing Bibles.  Really, it just removes the spaces, punctuation and for uncials, capitalizes everything.  Not sure the usefulness of it, but still interesting...especially if it were like an interlinear feature.

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 10:30 AM | Locked

Michael S.:
Not sure the usefulness of it

Imagine a group bible study.  "We have received a letter directly from the Apostle Paul but before we can even begin to understand the meaning of it, we must first determine what exactly he wrote.  You are not allowed to refer to any 'regular' English texts as we, as a group, discuss/determine what the words are, where the sentences begin and end, where commas should go, and where the paragraphs begin and end."  If you have genuinely interested students, the discussions could get rather interesting.

It's quite possible that is exactly what Paul instructed Timothy about in I Tim 4.13 -   "Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching."  In other words, one couldn't simply stand up and directly read on first sight, some preliminary exegetical work had to be done to determine what had been written ... followed by more exegetical work to determine what it meant.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 10:40 AM | Locked

Mattillo:

When will this hit mobile?

It is now. If you have it downloaded, you may need to delete the resource first. 

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 11:37 AM | Locked

Wonderful!!!  Was it really necessary to screw the rest of us so that a few can be satisfied????  Now I go to use my NASB95 this morning and all the settings have been changed without my OK, everything is in paragraph format when I want verse format, after much playing around with settings I can sort of get things where I want it but without appropriate chapter settings.  To further make things worse after starting things up this morning it took more that two minutes even to get highlighting to work.  I am so fed up with this program I wish I'd never bought into it years ago!!!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 12:08 PM | Locked

Faithlife, please do some more work on this change. Here is what my passage in Psalms looks like now:

There is no heading over the psalm so I can quickly scan and find the Psalm I'm looking at. This is NOT what we had before. Just little chapter numbers along the side. I've previously pointed out other issues.

If you cannot produce a verse oriented resource that matches what we had while still allowing paragraph format, I'd like my old resource back, please. (Yes, I know you'd have to produce a separate resource to do this, but this is not what I want, and don't think I should have to accept it.)

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 12:30 PM | Locked

We're looking into improvements to the visual filter.

This wasn't a change that came out of nowhere. NASB95 has been a tricky Bible for years.

When it was in a one verse/one line format it bothered the people who preferred the paragraph formatting. As an aid for those who preferred the one verse/one line it was formatted with bold verse indicators and/or first words of a new line to indicate paragraphs. This also received numerous complaints and typo reports.

As a compromise we converted it to the paragraph styling. Those who preferred paragraphs now could read with paragraphs and those who preferred one verse/one line could use the visual filter. To us, this seemed an agreeable mediating position.

It appears this exposed some weaknesses with the visual filter that we're addressing.

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Frank Payne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 12:35 PM | Locked

As of today, that visual filter seems to be missing. Due to my personal not taking i prefer the verse by verse format. Fooled around for over an hour thinking I had accidentally changed it until I gave up and looked here to find it was NOT changed by me.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 2:29 PM | Locked

Kyle G. Anderson:
It appears this exposed some weaknesses with the visual filter that we're addressing.

Thank you, Kyle.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 5:13 PM | Locked

Frank Payne:
As of today, that visual filter seems to be missing.

  • Click on the visual filter menu for the NASB (three circles icon)
  • Click on the carrot/arrow for "Bible text only"
  • Check "one verse per line"

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 6:31 PM | Locked

alabama24:

Frank Payne:
As of today, that visual filter seems to be missing.

  • Click on the visual filter menu for the NASB (three circles icon)
  • Click on the carrot/arrow for "Bible text only"
  • Check "one verse per line"

Oh - tried that did you?  And that got the NSAB back to the previous format did it?  I think not.  Either no chapter headings, or unwanted spaces between verses, different numbering formats.  All so that a few complainers who prefer a different format can be accommodated at the expense of the rest of us who liked what we had.  Gee - thanks a lot Logos.

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Elijahpower | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 7:10 PM | Locked

I received the latest update of NASB95 today and it is in the paragraph format.  I happen to prefer the verse form, but it will not go back to it.  When I click on verse option it stays paragraph.  It would be nice to have both formats work.  Thank you.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 7:28 PM | Locked

Alex Scott:

Oh - tried that did you? 

No reason to be disrespectful. I am not here to promote, defend, or attack any view. The user wanted to know how to use the visual filter. I told him. That is all. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 7:31 PM | Locked

Elijahpower:

When I click on verse option it stays paragraph.

It may be helpful for you to create a new thread in the platform specific forum. L7 (windows/Mac)? You should post a screenshot of your visual filter menu. 

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Willie | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 10:19 PM | Locked

Kyle G. Anderson:

It appears this exposed some weaknesses with the visual filter that we're addressing.

Thanks Kyle for replying to our concerns.  I am another customer who was extremely disappointed to see the publisher’s original verse format removed from the program.  

To repeat what has previously been expressed in this thread, the new visual filter significantly differs from the publisher’s original verse format in the following ways:

(1) It primarily uses double spacing between verses (with occasional inconsistent appearances of single spacing).  (2) It uses single spacing above and below pericope titles which creates a cluttered appearance.  (3) Chapter number headings have been removed with appropriate spacing above and below them.  (4)  All verse numbers are bolded instead of just those which begin a new paragraph. 

What has not yet been mentioned is the change to a default paragraph format also created a problem with the Copy Bible Verses tool.  The publisher's original verse format was removed as a Copy Bible Verses style choice.  The Print/Export feature was also affected since this is only able to print or export what is viewable on the screen (the flawed visual filter view or paragraph format).

Suggestion:

I believe the best and simplest long term solution might be to make the Lockman Foundation's original NASB verse format available as a separate resource for purchase.  I spoke to a Lockman Foundation representative yesterday who told me since they have provided both formats to Faithlife, they would have no objections if Faithlife decides to sell the verse format and the paragraph format as separate resources.  This would ensure that everything (default verse formatting, Copy Bible Verses style, and Print/Export documents) appear exactly as before should a customer purchase the verse formatted version. 

One of the reasons I suggest this is while I remain hopeful the visual filter adjustments will be successful, I am fearful the final results may still not reflect the original publisher’s verse format that we had before (one verse per line, consistent single spacing between verses, double spacing above and below pericope titles, chapter number headings with appropriate spacing above and below, and verse numbers beginning a new paragraph bolded with all other verse numbers unbolded).  I also wonder whether or not the Copy Bible Verses style issue will be addressed.  

I have just about completed drafting a UserVoice suggestion to make the Lockman Foundation's original NASB verse format available as a separate resource for purchase, but since Faithlife is working on the visual filter problems and hopefully the Copy Bible Verses tool issue I might wait a little bit to submit that.

Final thoughts

The many of us who prefer and depended upon the publisher’s original verse format are just as passionate as those who prefer the paragraph format.  Faithlife just never heard from us before because there was nothing to complain about.  We were completely satisfied.  Therefore, I respectfully suggest it would have been a mistake to interpret our silence as an indication of there being any less customer demand for verse formatting.

With that said, I don’t understand why this needs to be an either/or decision.  The publisher has provided Faithlife with both verse and paragraph formatting and their approval to use them however Faithlife sees fit.  Perhaps it’s possible to design a user controlled option to change the NASB’s default formatting between verse and paragraph without having to rely on an imperfect visual filter.  However, without also addressing the Copy Bible Verses tool issue this would be an incomplete resolution. 

In the final analysis, it may be simpler and certainly more profitable for Faithlife to just offer the Lockman Foundation’s NASB verse and paragraph formats as separate resources for purchase.

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