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Bukari Daniel | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2017 4:54 PM

Am using Logos bible app for android one my tablet, And I can't use the "Guides" features such as Passage guide Exegetical guide Bible word study Topic guide without the Internet, I said the Internet is not everywhere because am in Ghana and we do go to villages spend months in preaching the Gospel,  and those places there are no Internet so whiles am at these places am not able to use the guide features as mentioned above. Please will you fix that for use who does not always have Internet. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 5:22 PM

Welcome! Smile

When most users complain about this, I have little sympathy, since they have internet on every corner. For you I make an exception! Unfortunately, the mobile app isn't designed to be a replacement for the desktop app. For the guides to work offline, the specs of the devices would need to be much higher.

Is a laptop a possibility for you? 

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 5:32 PM

I would suggest a laptop as well.  I find a tablet is most useful for reading, highlighting and note taking, but not in depth study.

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Bukari Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 3:19 AM

Thank for the quick reply, Yes I will have to consider a laptop but I believe there will be fix in the future as devices space keep upgrading

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 4:06 AM

Bukari Daniel:

Thank for the quick reply, Yes I will have to consider a laptop but I believe there will be fix in the future as devices space keep upgrading

Yes, but not in the next ~5 years. 

The system for this to work on a desktop system would blow up and/or drain a mobile battery. It currently isn't close. The storage space isn't the only limitor. 

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 7:48 AM

alabama24:
they have internet on every corner

Where? Not in Atlanta. My home church, Eagles Landing First Baptist (~5000 members, ~3000 on a typical Sunday), has wifi but you can't get a connection most of the time because the network is saturated on Sundays. The church I'm attending now with my grandfather, Harvest Baptist Tabernacle (~300-400), only has wifi for staff. And there have been more than a few places where I wished a simple lookup but could not due to lack of internet.

alabama24:
For the guides to work offline, the specs of the devices would need to be much higher.

A version of guides is easily possible on mobile hardware. Look at Accordance & Olive Tree apps. While you are certainly correct about the full guides not being feasible, a simple but useful guide could easily be produced.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 7:55 AM

Bukari Daniel:
I believe there will be fix in the future as devices space keep upgrading

I used to share this optimism about the Logos app, that it would eventually support more offline use, but beside technology, there is another issue in the equation and that is the intent or vision of Faithlife. Unfortunately, they seem resistant to adding offline support and in fact are pushing toward making even the desktop app more dependent on online access. All bible study programs have their advantages and disadvantages. Logos is not the best tool or even a reasonable tool for offline use.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 7:58 AM

Randy W. Sims:
A version of guides is easily possible on mobile hardware. Look at Accordance & Olive Tree apps. While you are certainly correct about the full guides not being feasible, a simple but useful guide could easily be produced.

Yes

In a similar vein, I would also caution with regard to any idea of replacing the desktop version by a browser one to eliminate indexing (I remember reading about this somewhere). Excessive dependence on the Internet is not good. Even for us who are well connected, it is not good to have a power outage or a connection problem and be dead in the water in terms of work or study. 

I would also suppose that in countries in which Internet access is less accessible/affordable, using the app on a phone is probably also more feasible than buying a laptop. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 8:38 AM

I agree with Alabama .. the processing (and coding) is prohibitive. But only because of design (and product placement) decisions years back. 

I have two Bible apps I use off-line for passage and word drill-down offline (Randy's list, I didn't know Accordance too). . Certainly not huge sophistication, but in church or class situations, quite useful.

From Bob's periodic reasoning, the mobile apps are viewed as gateways to purchasing (and don't). Not as competitive offerings. So, they kind of creak along. I assume the web app is planned for revenue generation.  Certainly, it's more easily distributed.


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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 9:50 AM

One solution to this issue could be a small Windows tablet. I have a Dell Venue 8 Pro 5855. It has 4 GB of RAM, a 64 GB eMMC internal drive, and an Atom processor. You can install the desktop version of Logos on it.  As fast as a laptop/desktop with an i5 processor? Of course not. But everything works, online and offline. Used tablets like this Dell can be found for a reasonable price. You can, of course, go into Surface Pro territory, but things get more expensive and a little less portable. 

Let someone put out a small Windows tablet with a 128 GB SSD, and we'd have a great little Logos device! 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 10:22 AM

Randy W. Sims:
Where? Not in Atlanta

You may have to pay for it, but it is available. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 10:23 AM

Randy W. Sims:
A version of guides is easily possible on mobile hardware. Look at Accordance & Olive Tree apps. While you are certainly correct about the full guides not being feasible, a simple but useful guide could easily be produced.

That would be a different product than what Logos sells. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 5:26 PM

Randy W. Sims:
. While you are certainly correct about the full guides not being feasible, a simple but useful guide could easily be produced.

AMEN.

I don't expect full guides but simplified guides like on OT would be all i ant and basic language look up. It is very doable for even older devices if there was any will.... The standard response use the web app is pointless since the whole thing is there are many places in North America and EVEN USA that have no high speed internet and no reliable cell phone service. Now the current state of the app is good for reading and accessing a resource but it could be so much better. Olivetree is the proof and Accordance also has some more access for offline usage. Ultimately FL will do what they feel is best, but the lack of good offline support makes it look less than desirable.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 6:19 PM

alabama24:

Bukari Daniel:

Thank for the quick reply, Yes I will have to consider a laptop but I believe there will be fix in the future as devices space keep upgrading

Yes, but not in the next ~5 years. 

The system for this to work on a desktop system would blow up and/or drain a mobile battery. It currently isn't close. The storage space isn't the only limitor. 

the best way would be to get Surface Pro. 

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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