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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010 11:23 AM

Sorry if this has already been asked?

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 23 2010 1:48 PM

Stephen Thorp:
Sorry if this has already been asked?
As soon as Zondervan gives Logos permission, yes.

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Philip Gurgel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 29 2010 12:38 PM

Vote on getting the NIV on the Iphone.  Let's make the case loud and clear that we want this on the Iphone/Ipod touch.

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/606791-make-niv-available-on-iphone-ipod-touch

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Tom Traubitz | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 30 2010 8:58 PM

I use Olive Tree for NIV on the iPhone.   There are couple of others that have the NIV for the iPhone.   Not sure why Logos hasn't brought this conclusion--Zondervan is obviously licensing both NIV  and NIV Study notes for iPhone and other mobile devices.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 31 2010 2:10 AM

I suspect the problem isn't just Zondervan. Zondervan don't hold worldwide rights to the NIV, only North American ones. IBS (now called Biblica) actually hold the rights to the NIV, but they've given responsibility to different people in different territories. It's probably a bit of a nightmare to secure worldwide rights.

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Stephen Coles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:09 AM

I thought the idea of the iPhone app was that any books in your library would be available.  The NIV is the most notable exception and has meant I normally use another app for Bible reading - I previously had Laridian's MyBible on my Palm and they've provided a free iPhone app and my NIV has copied over fine.

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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:16 PM

Stephen Coles:
I previously had Laridian's MyBible on my Palm and they've provided a free iPhone app and my NIV has copied over fine.

I agree! I previously used Laridian's Windows Mobile/ Pocket PC version on my Pocket PC, but when it got broken I changed to an iTouch and Laridian;s iPhone app works fine - including the NIV, but coming from the UK I would love to see Logos produce a iphone edition of their Anglicised NIV which I believe is licenced in the UK through 'Hodder & Stoughton'. Smile

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Philip Gurgel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:12 PM

Here is what Bob wrote about the NIV on Iphone/Ipod Touch....

"This is 100% out of our control. We don't own the NIV, and need permission from the people who do. We are doing everything we can to get them to give us permission. (Well, everything short of criminal threats! ... But this suggestion notes that the omission is "inexcusable" and the "how" is beside the point... maybe we're not trying hard enough! <smile>)"

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I thought it was an interesting response, basically placing 100% blame on Zondervan (or whoever owns the digital rights of the NIV).  It's also interesting that they have done everything "short of criminal threats" to get license permissions from this group.

Now, I wonder if that "everything" involves money, as I see that as the only reason why Zondervan would turn down giving permissions to Logos, and many of the people in this thread show exactly why they wouldn't give those permissions away for free.  Because they can get people who own the digital rights on Logos  to buy the NIV on OT or other Bible apps and receive money for it. 

I imagine the reason the  Laridian one works, is because the license is for a handheld device, and because of the frequency users change mobile devices,  permission was made in the original licensing to allow for a license to be changed from one mobile device to another. 

So essentially, if those licensing the NIV recognize it is in their best financial interest not to give the rights of their content away for free to those who have CPU digital versions for use on mobile devices.  I don't see any way that we'll be seeing the NIV in the Logos app without a charge being associated with it. (A charge I'd gladly pay to have access to it, FWIW).

But, this is just a hunch based on a few educated guesses, but it seems to make sense.

I don't want this post to come across as ripping on Bob, I'm really enjoying his software on my CPU.  I just wish it was remotely as useful on my Ipod touch (and until NIV is availabe on it, it will lack usefulness).

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:22 PM

PhilipGurgel:
Now, I wonder if that "everything" involves money, as I see that as the only reason why Zondervan would turn down giving permissions to Logos,

Pure speculation, but an alternative explanation is that the contract s signed with other companies limit what rights are available for purchase.

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Philip Gurgel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:30 PM

I thought of that, but considering that there are a number of Bible apps with the NIV, I don't think that would be very likely.  I suppose that it's a possibility though. 

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Dennis Shackleford | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2010 9:45 PM

I would gladly pay for a premium version of the LOGOS Bible app if it included the NIV!  It just doesn't make sense that a Bible Software company the size of LOGOS can't get this done when so many others have made it happen already.  I would really like to know where the snag is.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 6 2010 8:17 AM

I would too Dennis.

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April Pyle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:34 PM

Dennis Shackleford:

I would gladly pay for a premium version of the LOGOS Bible app if it included the NIV!  It just doesn't make sense that a Bible Software company the size of LOGOS can't get this done when so many others have made it happen already.  I would really like to know where the snag is.

 

Here Here!!  I paid 9.99 to get it on Olive Tree just so I can read it off line and highlight.  Unfortunately,  while I got a lot of free stuff with it, I still don't have my favorite Nelson books, thought I did get God of All Comfort, which thrilled me no end.  Wish we could get THAT one in Logos.   There's another one by HWS, Christian Secret to a Happy Life, not to be confused with Christian Secret to a HOLY Life.  The latter is a devotional, but the first one is a fabulous book.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:37 PM

Dennis Shackleford:
I would gladly pay for a premium version of the LOGOS Bible app if it included the NIV!  It just doesn't make sense that a Bible Software company the size of LOGOS can't get this done when so many others have made it happen already.  I would really like to know where the snag is.

Kevin A. Purcell:
I would too Dennis.

That could be a very slippery slope.  Allowing Z to be "paid twice" (once for the Logos 4 license and once for the iPhone license) for the NIV could open the door for other publishers to demand the same treatment.  I personally wouldn't want to have to purchase all my Logos resources separately for each platform.  Maybe I'm worrying about nothing, but that seems to be where it could lead if we were to go that route.

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:21 PM

I've bought NIV twice for mobile (PocketBible and BibleForYou) so wouldn't want to buy it a third time for different format (sorry, fourth time as I;ve bought it for Logos4 on desktop as well!!!)

We need standard electronic formats so you buy a resource once and then use it in many apps (what ever happened to STEP?)

Why couldn't Logos read other formats such as Laridian etc.? In fact why can't they get together and agree some common formats?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 7:12 AM

Jonathan West:
what ever happened to STEP

It went the way of the 8 Track. It was based on an old technology that does not work as well for searching as things like XML. And Logos never supported it. I did an article about this. The needs for standards is important for the user, but the publishers are not interested. They want their proprietary formats to keep us all in their walled gardens. It is sad, but true and likely never going to happen.

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 7:40 AM

I guessed that would be the case.

It seems to me that publishers are behind the curve at the moment. I buy a conventional Bible, I can read it anywhere (at home, on the bus, etc.).

Really (justly) I should buy an electronic text and be able to use that anywhere as well!!! However, I don't expect anyone to be innovative (in the near future) and come up with a new licensing model whereby once you've bought the text you can use it anywhere ...

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Dave Dunkin (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 8:39 AM

Jonathan West:

It seems to me that publishers are behind the curve at the moment. I buy a conventional Bible, I can read it anywhere (at home, on the bus, etc.).

Really (justly) I should buy an electronic text and be able to use that anywhere as well!!!

The analogy is flawed. You are able to use your conventional (paper) Bible anywhere you can physically take it. That is no different from ebooks you use on your computer; you can read them anywhere you can physically take your computer.

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 8:45 AM

I disagree (naturally!)

The text itself I have bought (in other words the publisher and author haver received recompense for their effort). I do agree that added value (for example Logos indexing etc.) is additional to the text. That is analogous to buying a Study Bible in addition to a text-only Bible. So the situation is not as simple as my earlier post suggested ... but it should be (for example) Logos getting extra cash for the second copy, not the publisher!

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David Lowther | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 9:28 AM

I have three Bible/reader apps on my iPhone, including Logos. One of the others is PocketBible, for which I have the NIV.  I have versions of PocketBible for both my iPhone and my Windows PC. I can share most of the resources I have for PocketBible with both versions/apps. I guess that Logos is similar, except that I have many more Logos resources and they are not all licensed for both the desktop program and the iPhone app.

I agree with the comments that popular resources, such as the NIV, really need to be licensed for both iPhone and desktop. I would like to see that be standard practice. For now, I will keep using three iPhone apps from different companies to cover as many resources as I can/own.

 

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