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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010 8:46 AM

The following is my first attempt at making collections; I tried to make a collection of commentaries for each book of the Bible. It works somewhat OK, most of the commentaries are commentaries that have the name of the Bible book in the title or subject.

 There are still many commentaries that are not included because they are labeled Old Testament or New Testament or tagged differently than the search criteria (name not in title or subject). Also if the name has a number in it like 1 Samuel, the search is much more complicated because the naming scheme is not consistent.

 I would like to think there is a better way (8 hours of hard labor Wink) and I am just not familiar enough with Logos4 and need to learn a better way.  If anyone knows how to make this better, please feel free to make suggestions, all suggestions and corrections are welcome.

title:genesis OR subject:genesis

title:exodus OR subject:exodus OR title:"genesis to leviticus" OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:leviticus OR subject:leviticus OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:numbers OR subject:numbers OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"genesis to leviticus"

title:deuteronomy OR subject:deuteronomy OR title:"numbers to joshua" OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:judges OR subject:judges OR title:"joshua to 2 samuel" OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:ruth OR subject:ruth OR title:"joshua to 2 samuel" OR title:"judges to 2 kings" OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:"1 Samuel" OR subject:"1 Samuel" OR title:"1, 2 Samuel" OR title:"Joshua to 2 Samuel" OR title:"Judges to 2 Kings" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"samuel, 1st"

title:"2 samuel" OR subject:"2 samuel" OR title:"joshua to 2 samuel" OR title:"judges to 2 kings" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"samuel, 2nd"

title:"1 kings" OR subject:"1 kings" OR title:"1, 2 kings" OR title:"judges to 2 kings" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"kings, 1st" OR title:"II samuel to II chronicles"

title:"2 kings" OR subject:"2 kings" OR title:"1, 2 kings" OR title:"judges to 2 kings" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"kings, 1st" OR title:"II samuel to II chronicles"

title:"1 chronicles" OR subject:"1 chronicles" OR title:"1, 2 chronicles" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"chronicles, 1st" OR title:"chronicles to job"  OR title:"II samuel to II chronicles"

title:"2 chronicles" OR subject:"2 chronicles" OR title:"1, 2 chronicles" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR subject:"chronicles, 2nd" OR title:"chronicles to job" OR title:"II chronicles"

title:ezra OR subject:ezra OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"chronicles to job" OR title:"II chronicles to psalms"

title:nehemiah OR subject:nehemiah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"chronicles to job" OR title:"II chronicles to psalms"

title:esther OR subject:esther OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"chronicles to job" OR title:"II chronicles to psalms"

title:job OR subject:job OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"II chronicles to psalms"

title:psalms OR subject:psalms OR title:"genesis - malachi"

title:proverbs OR subject:proverbs OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"psalms to isaiah"

title:ecclesiastes OR subject:ecclesiastes OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"psalms to isaiah" OR title:"proverbs to isaiah"

title:"song of solomon" OR subject:"song of solomon" OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"psalms to isaiah" OR title:"proverbs to isaiah"

title:isaiah OR subject:isaiah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"psalms to isaiah" OR title:"proverbs to isaiah"  OR subject:"major prophets"

title:jeremiah OR subject:jeremiah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"isaiah to ezekiel" OR subject:"major prophets"

title:lamentations OR subject:lamentations OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"isaiah to ezekiel" OR title:"jeremiah to daniel" OR subject:"major prophets"

title:ezekiel OR subject:ezekiel OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"isaiah to ezekiel" OR title:"jeremiah to daniel" OR subject:"major prophets"

title:daniel OR subject:daniel OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR subject:"major prophets"

title:hosea OR subject:hosea OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:joel OR subject:joel OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew" OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:amos OR subject:amos OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:obadiah OR subject:obadiah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew" OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:jonah OR subject:jonah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew" OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:micah OR subject:micha OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew" OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:nahum OR subject:nahum OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:habakkuk OR subject:habakkuk OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:zephaniah OR subject:zephaniah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:haggai OR subject:haggai OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:zechariah OR subject:zechariah OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:malachi OR subject:malachi OR title:"genesis - malachi" OR title:"ezekiel to matthew"  OR title:"hosea to malachi" OR subject:"minor prophets"

title:matthew OR subject:matthew -title:henry

title:mark OR subject:mark OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"gospels-acts"

title:luke OR subject:luke OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"gospels - acts"

title:john OR subject:john OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"gospels - acts" -title:wesley -title:wycliffe -title:bunyan -title:calvin -title:chrysostom -title:knox -title:newton

title:acts OR subject:acts OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"gospels - acts"

title:romans OR subject:romans OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"1 corinthians" OR subject:"1 corinthians" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"2 corinthians" OR subject:"2 corinthians" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:galatians OR subject:galatians OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:ephesians OR subject:ehpesians OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:philippians OR subject:philippians OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:colossians OR subject:colossians OR title:"philippians to 1 timothy" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"1 thessalonians" OR subject:"1 thessalonians" OR title:"philippians to 1 timothy" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"2 thessalonians" OR sbubject:"2 thessalonians"  OR title:"philippians to 1 timothy" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"1 timothy" OR subject:"1 timothy" OR title:"1, 2 timothy" OR title:"1 and 2 timothy" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"2 timothy" OR subject:"2 timothy" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:titus OR subject:titus OR title:"2 timothy to hebrews" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:philemon OR subject;philemon OR title:"2 timothy to hebrews" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:hebrews OR subject:hebrews OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:james OR subject:james OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation" -title:"king james"

title:"1 peter" OR subject:"1 peter" OR subject:"peter, 1st" OR title:"1 and 2 peter" OR tilte:"1, 2 peter" OR title:"1&2 peter" OR title:"james to jude"  OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"2 peter" OR subject:"2 peter" OR subject:"peter, 2nd" OR title:"1 and 2 peter" OR tilte:"1, 2 peter" OR title:"1&2 peter" OR title:"james to jude"  OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"1 john" OR subject:"1 john" OR title:"1, 2, 3 john" OR title:"1-3 john" OR title:"I, II, III john" OR title:"james to jude" OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"2 john" OR subject:"2 john" OR title:"1, 2, 3 john" OR title:"1-3 john" OR title:"I, II, III john" OR title:"james to jude"  OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:"3 john" OR subject:"3 john" OR title:"1, 2, 3 john" OR title:"1-3 john" OR title:"I, II, III john" OR title:"james to jude"  OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:jude OR subject:jude OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"

title:Revelation OR subject:revelation

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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 11:21 AM

Does anyone know how to make this better?

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 11:30 AM

What is your goal or purpose in making these collections?  I ask because I find that the Passage Guide or Explorer work great for identifying all the commentaries relevant to a given book or passage, and they don't require collections to do it.

(Otherwise I think your collection definitions look fine.)

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 12:25 PM

Ken,

As Todd said, depending on your goal, a better solution may be to place your commentaries in collections based on type. I got the idea from another user on the forum (it may have been Mark Barnes; If it's not Mark sorry, no disrespect to the person who came up with the idea) to create a commentary collection for Academic Commentaries, Intermediate Commentaries, Expository Commentaries, Single Volume Commentaries and Unclassified Commentaries. The strings for these are posted on the wiki.

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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 1:34 PM

Todd&Fred,

I am not sure what the goal is Embarrassed; though, in some ways I am just trying to be more productive. I am not a big fan of the "Passage Guide" or the "Exegetical Guide"; they produce way more information than I am looking for, I would prefer to do more focused searches. The idea of multiple commentary collections based on type sounds interesting, I am probably going to tag every resource available with multiple tags in order to do more focused searches. I only want the information I want when I want it and not every possible type of information available, it is only a distraction.

Two things I noticed: one, the way you set up the search criteria is different for different books for the same type of information; second, with many collections, the pull down menus get very cluttered.

 

 

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 2:01 PM

Ken Avery:
I am not a big fan of the "Passage Guide" or the "Exegetical Guide"; they produce way more information than I am looking for, I would prefer to do more focused searches.

Ken

How I use the Passage Guide is to turn most of the options off, leaving only the Commentaries section, a collection of my background material, a collection for my journal articles, and a cross reference section. This gives me plenty of material that if focused on only the section that I am actually studying.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 2:15 PM

Ken Avery:
I am not a big fan of the "Passage Guide" or the "Exegetical Guide"; they produce way more information than I am looking for, I would prefer to do more focused searches.

As others have mentioned, you can create a customized Passage Guide to only have what you want.  Here is my "Commentaries" PG that has multiple commentary sections and nothing else.  Each section is limited to a specific collection of commentaries (that I have created).  I find it extraordinarily useful:

 

On the other hand...the "Explorer" window is fast enough to link to your main bible window, especially if you collapse the sections you don't want.  It will remember those collapsed sections so you don't have to close them every time.  As long as you've prioritized your commentaries, you will get a good selection without clicking "more":

 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 2:15 PM

Ken, you can also make your own passage guide--custom build what you want in it.

If your bible book title collections work for you, go for it.  I personally would just take a scaled down Passage guide before going through all those collections, since it seems everyone of them will show up in a passage guide. 

Where commentary collections could be helpful is searching the whole series (Gen-Rev, for example) for comments on "John 1:1" or something.  Or putting collections of authors, to find out what DA Carson has to say about John 1:1 etc., even if those comments are in a commentary of his on Matthew.

Some ideas.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 5:39 PM

Ken Avery:
all suggestions and corrections are welcome.

You can shorten the query by using comma for OR and using parentheses to group similar elements:-

title:jude OR subject:jude OR title:"matthew - revelation" OR title:"apostles to revelation"  ==>

subject:jude, title:(jude, "matthew - revelation", "apostles to revelation")

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 9:11 PM

Ken Avery:
I am not sure what the goal is Embarrassed; though, in some ways I am just trying to be more productive.

I hear you Ken. It is great to have all of this information at our disposal but it can be overwhelming. What I have found is investing the time in creating collectio0ns based on your study methods and processes and then customizing the PG so that it focuses on those collections seems to work best for me. I have also been helped a lot by some of the user videos demonstrating ways to use and manipulate the resources and information we have. If you have not already watched them, Mark Branes did a great series on sermon prep in L4. He demonstrated some very useful techniques for using L4 efficiently. Taking advantage of the custom layout features and saving layouts for various steps in my study process has been very beneficial as well. 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 24 2010 9:39 PM

Fred Chapman:

Ken Avery:
I am not sure what the goal is Embarrassed; though, in some ways I am just trying to be more productive.

If you have not already watched them, Mark Branes did a great series on sermon prep in L4. He demonstrated some very useful techniques for using L4 efficiently.

He certainly is a brain, Smile but his name is Mark Barnes. You might not find his name if you googled the wrong spelling. His videos on sermon prep with Logos can be found here: http://www.4-14.org.uk/logos-bible-software-tutorial-videos/preparing-a-sermon-with-logos. And other links to his collection videos and such are at the wiki video tutorial page: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Video_Tutorials

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 12:09 AM

Rosie Perera:
He certainly is a brain, Smile but his name is Mark Barnes.

LOL.  I've just come from post in which Martha was called Mary! Brains could be his nickname (Hi Mark!...).

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 2:57 AM

Rosie Perera:
He certainly is a brain, Smile but his name is Mark Barnes

I think I need a keyboard that will type what I meant to say rather that what I actually said. Sorry Mark it was too late to edit. You are officially preserved in the forum as Mr. Branes.Surprise

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 4:29 AM

I'm wtih yuo their Fred Big Smile

Anyway, reading this thread I have just discovered the Explorer window! Looks really useful ... I wonder how many other things ar ein L4 I don't know about ...

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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 9:45 AM

WOW,

Thanks for all the responses and suggestions; you have given me plenty of options to try out, lots of great suggestions!

Thank you again!

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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 9:47 AM

PS: Mark Brains videos are awsome and very informative Big Smile

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Ken Avery | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 12:23 PM

Todd Phillips:

Ken Avery:
I am not a big fan of the "Passage Guide" or the "Exegetical Guide"; they produce way more information than I am looking for, I would prefer to do more focused searches.

As others have mentioned, you can create a customized Passage Guide to only have what you want.  Here is my "Commentaries" PG that has multiple commentary sections and nothing else.  Each section is limited to a specific collection of commentaries (that I have created).  I find it extraordinarily useful:

 

On the other hand...the "Explorer" window is fast enough to link to your main bible window, especially if you collapse the sections you don't want.  It will remember those collapsed sections so you don't have to close them every time.  As long as you've prioritized your commentaries, you will get a good selection without clicking "more":

 

Excellent - this is exactly what I was looking for.

Thank you.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 1:00 PM

Dave Hooton:

I've just come from post in which Martha was called Mary!

Probably a Freudian slip because of Luke 10:38-42. MJ Smith would have been the one at Jesus' feet, not stressing out in the kitchen.

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Praiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 1:54 PM

Have you considered using "My Tags" as a distinction.
Open your library and search on say "Galatians." When all the books come up, select the ones you would like to include in a Galatians Collection by clicking on each book while holding the CTRL key down. Group tag them as "Galatians" then go to your collections and create a new one with "mytag:galatians" Anytime you add a new commentary though you will have to give it a my tag for it to be added to your collection.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 25 2010 9:59 PM

Rosie Perera:
Probably a Freudian slip because of Luke 10:38-42.

That was why I was laughing (together with Martha's response!).

Rosie Perera:
MJ Smith would have been the one at Jesus' feet, not stressing out in the kitchen.

Now, don't start putting thoughts in my head!

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