Searching Across Verse Boundries

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Clint Cozier | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 27 2017 2:30 PM

I'm working with Phil. 2:8 and 9, and am trying to look at other examples of the humiliation / exhultation motif that is so central to this particular hymn. I decided to look for the roots ταπεινος and υψος in proximity. I wanted to examine the LXX, so I stayed away from LN tags. Is there a way (other than the morph query) to search across verse boundries? I can do it in Accordance (doesn't make a great deal of difference in this instance, but still) for the NT and LXX. I'd like to do this work in Logos, but can't figure out how.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 2:49 PM

You have a few options:

  • A basic search searches across chapter boundaries instead of the verse boundaries of a Bible search.
  • A Bible Browser search uses either verse or pericope boundaries (but isn't suitable for this search).
  • Syntax searches have boundaries based on syntactic structure (sentences, clauses, etc.).
  • A Morph Query search allows you to set a boundary of up to 5 verses.

Note that a morph query will also use verse boundaries.

So, in this case, a basic search will probably be best.

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Clint Cozier | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 2:53 PM

Mark,

What constrains this (and means I can't use a syntax search) is the desire to look at the LXX. I believe the Morph Query Builder can take words or verses to set the scope (I built a search that did pick up Phil. 2 8-9 as a hit in the Morph Query Builder). I didn't know I could search for roots in a basic search...I'll take a look at that. This seems to be an obvious constraints that needs to be lifted....hopefully the Morph Query Builder is the tool to address it.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 2:57 PM

Clint Cozier:
I believe the Morph Query Builder can take words or verses to set the scope (I built a search that did pick up Phil. 2 8-9 as a hit in the Morph Query Builder).

Yes, I added that to my post as you were posting. It's up to five verses.

Clint Cozier:
I didn't know I could search for roots in a basic search...I'll take a look at that.

Just construct your search as a Bible or Morph search then switch to the basic search. Your syntax will be 'converted' if necessary.

Clint Cozier:
This seems to be an obvious constraints that needs to be lifted

We've been saying that since 2009, so don't hold your breath…

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 3:06 PM

Incidentally, in Logos NEAR means WITHIN 48 CHARS, which is too narrow to find the Philippians 2 reference, even in a basic search. So you'll need something like:

<Root = lbs/el/ταπεινος> WITHIN 150 CHARS <Root = lbs/el/υψος>

(You could also use WITHIN 30 WORDS, or similar.)

You can do a "By Resource" search to get the results in canonical order.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 5:50 PM

Very helpful.  Mark, you are a wealth of good thinking.

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Clint Cozier | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 27 2017 6:02 PM

Thanks Mark, I wasn't aware that Logos would automatically make the needed changes to go from a Morph or Bible search to a basic search....that's great! I'd love more granularity in defining search scope, but this will work for now.

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