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Andrew Zoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 2:13 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark Barnes:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
I think you're going to love it.

It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.

Hopefully not. It should start to make its way into the web app later this year. Timing for the desktop app is still TBD, but our current plans are not to hold it for Logos 8.

Awesome! I can't wait to see what you do. I've been diligent about maintaining neatness in my notes, but I've always felt that notes was a little lacking many of the capabilities you're talking about here. 

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 3:58 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark Barnes:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
I think you're going to love it.

It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.

Hopefully not. It should start to make its way into the web app later this year. Timing for the desktop app is still TBD, but our current plans are not to hold it for Logos 8.

Phil,

Any plans or discussions on a tool to allow users to move a batch of notes / highlighting to another document? 

And are there any discussions on a better way to handle default highlighting. I'd love to see a complex default highlight options, such as: Highlighting in a Bible attaches to a predefined notes documents for Type:Bible, the same for commentaries, Vyrso books, and more. Would love to be able to drill down to types and tags for setting default highlighting, so that I can "set it and forget it" when it comes to my highlighting options. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 4:16 PM

Myke Harbuck:
Any plans or discussions on a tool to allow users to move a batch of notes / highlighting to another document?

I do understand how many of us started with the default setting for notes from any resource ending up in a single palette-specific document, changing later to resource-specific documents, and ending up with notes from the same resource in multiple documents.

Being able to move/reorganize notes would be a plus.

But if the new notes platform allows us to filter/find notes across all note documents, I might not bother to manually move them.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 11:45 PM

Phil is saying is that the new system won't use documents at all. So you won't need to move it between documents. I would imagine that existimg document names will be added as tags, so if the documents ARE important to you, you'll still be able to show all the highlighting that was stored in a particular document. 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 11:52 PM

Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 2 2017 1:05 AM

Thanks, Mark and Phil!

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Bill Cook | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 2 2017 5:24 AM

This all sounds great!

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Scott Fillmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 19 2017 3:30 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.

Phil, this is great to hear... I'm constantly trying to work between Logos and Evernote and there just isn't a good way to do it. I really want an export or even copy/paste function that would work where I could just copy my notes from "today" into Evernote or something like that. Some way to get them out of Logos into my editing software.

Any ballpark timeframe on this? I've got so many highlights and notes on some docs like the main ESV text that it's becoming difficult to maneuver around the doc at all. This year? Thanks, can't wait for the new structure!

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 19 2017 4:01 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.

Hi Phil, I'm so excited about this new note / highlighting / clipping system. :)

This new system will open up so many possibilities. Let me just mention two that come to mind. They are both related to the basic idea that this new system could easily allow for different templates of fields of metadata, including structured metadata, that could be either customizable by the user, or offered OOTB by Faithlife.

An example of something that could be offered OOTB by Faithlife (maybe with some customizability) would be a personal preaching tacklebox of anecdotes, illustrations, etc. Here is a post I wrote a few years ago with a possible implementation of that: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/96967/671698.aspx#671698

But moving beyond OOTB tools, it would be great for the user to be able to create (and share) templates of metadata, including field(s) for structured, possibly multi-level, table of contents, where the user could check off elements of the table of contents that apply when taking a note/clipping/highlight. This would be useful for both academic and pastoral work:

The basic idea would be that you create a structured outline of an article, book, or homily/sermon you are writing. Then, as you are investigating, and you come across a text that is of interest for one or more parts of your work, you would select that text and add a note/highlight/clipping. You then would be able to select the sections of your table of contents to which this text applies: for a chapter of your book, a section of your article, or a part of your homily/sermon. When you are done, you could then go through (or print/export) your table of contents, with all of your notes and highlighting and clippings already organized for you under your multi-level table of contents. 

I'm sure there are lots of other possibilities a centralized database opens up as well! Looking forward to it! Smile

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Tim Hensler | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 22 2017 5:05 PM

Hi Phil and Bradley,

Will the new note system be compatible with the mobile apps?  

I am excited to hear about the new notes system.  I have a large number of note files (>1,000), big and small.  I create most notes/highlights on my Windows desktop but also use them on my Android tablet while reading and for teaching.  I need to be able to create and update notes both directions.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 22 2017 6:19 PM

Tim Hensler:

Hi Phil and Bradley,

Will the new note system be compatible with the mobile apps?  

I am excited to hear about the new notes system.  I have a large number of note files (>1,000), big and small.  I create most notes/highlights on my Windows desktop but also use them on my Android tablet while reading and for teaching.  I need to be able to create and update notes both directions.

We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order. I don't have a time frame for mobile, but we'll definitely be moving all platforms to the new notes system in due time.

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Tim Hensler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 6:00 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order.

As the new notes system is rolling out, will notes, highlights and clippings created on one platform sync to the other platforms even if they are not using the same (new/old) notes system?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 9:09 AM

Tim Hensler:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order.

As the new notes system is rolling out, will notes, highlights and clippings created on one platform sync to the other platforms even if they are not using the same (new/old) notes system?

We will do our best to ensure no data loss and to have as little disruption to your workflow as possible. We still have to work out some of the migration details, but our aim is to stay out of your way so you can continue to use Logos with minimal to no interruption. As we get closer to migrating, we'll provide more details on the implications for users of each platform.

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Tim Hensler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 7:06 PM

Thank you Phil, for the great work you and your team are doing.  I am looking forward to the new notes system.

Blessings

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Bill | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 12 2017 7:22 AM

Suggestions for new Note/Clipping/Highlight program

Mark Barnes:

I'd love to see a highlighting interactive made available in Logos, so I could easily access my highlighting across different resources and palettes:

  • The interactive would allow me to browse my highlights, using faceted browsing.
  • It would be split into two panels — the left panel containing the facets, and the right panel the quotes.
  • The right-hand panel would be similar to the Quotes view of a highlighting document.
  • It would let me switch between "By Style", and "By Resource".
  • When set to "By Style", the left-hand column would 
  • list of all my Palettes and Styles for which I currently have highlighting, and allow me to drill down to select what I want, with the matching quotes appearing in the right panel, grouped by resource. Palettes and Styles I'm not using would be ignored.
  • When set to "By Resource", the left-hand column would list all the resources where I have highlighting. I could select the one I want. The right-hand panel would then show those quotes, grouped by palette and style. Ideally, there would be additional metadata from the library, so I could also choose filter my list by authors, subjects and tags.

Great ideas Mark!

Hi Mark and everyone,

I'm new at posting and by no means an expert on Logo 7 so please forgive me if I'm ignorant and fuzzy on what I'm about to say.

When I'm reading, whether it is the Bible or an other book, and find a word, verse, or passage of text that I want to make a note in, I find that one of my biggest issues is, when I right click on the selected text that I can't just select "add a note". I must first open and create a note file. It would be much easier to just have the option to "add a note", like a sticky, and have the program create an editable and searchable note file, that you could still hover over and preview.

Also, possibly ( in the right click menu) show in a drop down a list of previously created note files for that resource so I would have a choice to create a new note or add it to one previously made without having to go to the documents menu and search and open one and add a note that way.

Also the note doc/file itself is not user friendly. I would prefer to have an open or blank page that notes would be added to. Each note for the book or topic could be separated as if you would separate thoughts in a Word document and still hyperlinked to the original resource. Currently notes and headings are separated by text boxes in the note page and have to be opened by clicking the view button, very cumbersome and not reader or editor friendly.

I know FL is working on a new note taking/ clipping/highlighting program and I'm truly thankful for this huge undertaking. It would be nice if there were a separate forum heading where all user suggestions for this project could be posted and FL could view them and possible resond with updates as they are developed?

Again, please excuse anything I have said in ignorance and feel free to correct me.

Thank you 

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Andrew Zoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 12 2017 8:59 PM

Bill:

When I'm reading, whether it is the Bible or an other book, and find a word, verse, or passage of text that I want to make a note in, I find that one of my biggest issues is, when I right click on the selected text that I can't just select "add a note". I must first open and create a note file. It would be much easier to just have the option to "add a note", like a sticky, and have the program create an editable and searchable note file, that you could still hover over and preview.

Also, possibly ( in the right click menu) show in a drop down a list of previously created note files for that resource so I would have a choice to create a new note or add it to one previously made without having to go to the documents menu and search and open one and add a note that way.

Hey Bill! Welcome to the forums! I agree, the notes can be cumbersome at times. There is one piece of misunderstanding that I wanted to correct. On the desktop app, you can add notes to the last opened note by highlighting some text and right clicking on it, and selecting "add note to 'note name'". This should fix you up if you're needing that quick functionality to add notes to a frequently visited document. See my screenshot below:

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Bill | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 13 2017 5:12 PM

There is one piece of misunderstanding that I wanted to correct. On the desktop app, you can add notes to the last opened note by highlighting some text and right clicking on it, and selecting "add note to 'note name'". This should fix you up if you're needing that quick functionality to add notes to a frequently visited document.

                       Thank you Andrew!

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Vadim | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 17 2017 12:53 PM

Will the shortcut Cmd+Z work with the new note system?

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