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Liam & Abi Maguire | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 8 2017 10:32 PM

I'm going to get in there early and say that the email announcement stating that the Logos Web app is being transitioned to Logos 7 base packages is a good thing. In fact, I think it is a great move. Once it goes live to all users I think it will hopefully go from strength to strength.

Personally, I like the idea of Faithlife using Logos Now to trial new products and features for a period time, take feedback, and then release more widely to the public. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 8 2017 11:15 PM
LMAM:
Once it goes live to all users I think it will hopefully go from strength to strength.
Absolutely, and everyone benefits, as improvements from the web app make their way to the desktop.
LMAM:
Also, free books...
For $89 (last year's price), I'd imagine it's paid for itself 4 times over. Best FL purchase I made, apart from the program itself.
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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 1:01 AM

I haven't seen any email announcement. If you are saying they are rolling out the web app to all Logos 7 base package users I personally think that it a bad decision. The web app is still very much in beta. A lot of functionality is missing, document can be accessed but none other than sermon documents can be edited. Notes and highlighting are store in a completely different platform so those created on web app can not be accesed on desktop and those created on desktop will not be accessible on web app.  This is going to interrupt uses work flows, and has the potential to create more support calls - my notes / highlights are missing from the desktop, not syncing with web app etc. But this is typical of FL to throw half baked projects on users prematurely. And then there is the server crashes - do we really feel confident they won't happen - and when they do, notes and highlights created on the web app will be completely inaccessible to the user. If you are a student or a academic working on a paper or a pastor or leader preparing a sermon or study then rely on the web app at your own risk. 

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 5:09 AM

The email doesn't specify if "own a base package" means "library" or "feature set". Also, would Basic be included, even though it isn't really "owned"?

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 5:17 AM

I think it is good for all to have access to the app. In this day and age, it is normal to have access to cloud based counterpart of commercial, locally installed products (e.g., Office, Evernote, etc.).

I just hope that it does not signal a will to move it all to the Internet. I know that server-based solutions have been (increasingly?) proposed. Android users know how frustrating it is to have features that only work online. A couple days ago, my Internet went down for a whole day. It would have been a very difficult day indeed if I had been totally immobilised in my work if Logos could only work online. (I was in fact, frustrated at some point with the inability to do something I wanted to with the Atlas, for that very reason -- some functionality requires to be online). 

Otherwise I look forward to the quick access that the app can provide. Sometimes I also find it a more pleasant reading environment. 

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 6:28 AM

Francis:
I just hope that it does not signal a will to move it all to the Internet.

We have been told that there will always be an off internet platform and it would be a huge betrayal if that ever changed.  I am all for an internet platform and glad it is being developed more.  But as has been mentioned, things bring the internet down, stopping work flow.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 8:11 AM

Mark:

Francis:
I just hope that it does not signal a will to move it all to the Internet.

We have been told that there will always be an off internet platform and it would be a huge betrayal if that ever changed.  I am all for an internet platform and glad it is being developed more.  But as has been mentioned, things bring the internet down, stopping work flow.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

The Logos (and Verbum) desktop software isn't going anywhere. In fact, as you may have noticed in release notes, we are actively improving it in performance and functionality, and we have plans for some exciting new features. 

I'll respond to other questions about the web app shortly, but I just want to stop this one in it's tracks. Smile

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 8:28 AM

Robert M. Warren:

The email doesn't specify if "own a base package" means "library" or "feature set". Also, would Basic be included, even though it isn't really "owned"?

"Base package" usually means "Library+Feature Set;" but in this case, we are giving access to the web app to anyone who owns either a Logos 7 library, or feature set, or both.

This does not include Basic at this time, but we expect to open it up to Basic users at some point in the future. 

Disciple of Christ (doc):
The web app is still very much in beta. A lot of functionality is missing, document can be accessed but none other than sermon documents can be edited.

Yes and no. Doc, I don't know if you have used the web app in the last few weeks, but it has developed dramatically, and it's getting better all the time. Check out the list of improvements from the latest 2-week sprint.

Of course, you are correct to say it is "missing functionality" when compared to the desktop app. But as far as I am aware, it is the most advanced in-browser Bible study solution anywhere. 

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Notes and highlighting are store in a completely different platform

Again, yes and no. This is true for now, but web notes are the precursor to a new, improved note system that will sync with desktop and mobile apps. We hope to deliver that later this year. 

PetahChristian:
Best FL purchase I made, apart from the program itself.

Thanks, we are glad you think so!

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 8:54 AM

When is that coming live for base package owners? I get redirected to a signup screen for cloud.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 10:37 AM

Francis:

When is that coming live for base package owners? I get redirected to a signup screen for cloud.

July 1st

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 10:42 AM

2018? Stick out tongue

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 12:10 PM

Great news, The web app is really the only reason I subscribe to Logos Now.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 12:58 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Disciple of Christ (doc):
The web app is still very much in beta. A lot of functionality is missing, document can be accessed but none other than sermon documents can be edited.

Yes and no. Doc, I don't know if you have used the web app in the last few weeks, but it has developed dramatically, and it's getting better all the time. Check out the list of improvements from the latest 2-week sprint.

Of course, you are correct to say it is "missing functionality" when compared to the desktop app. But as far as I am aware, it is the most advanced in-browser Bible study solution anywhere. 

I am sorry Adam but there it can not be a yes and no answer at the same time as to whether something is in beta, and it can't be as I have seen from FL employees on these forums that the web app is on par with the desktop app when they were doing a sales pitch for Logos Now months ago and then when users complain they can't do xyz on the web app customer service will say the web app is in beta.

I usw it yesterday Adam and could not do something as simple as creating a passage list or even add a few verses to an existing passage list.  If you have read the forums for the web app you will see others have raised concerns about basic things that can't be done.

Adam I have seen the recent updates, they are a step toward but no matter how much you want to take a post modernist approach and sell the truth as being relative the web app is in beta. 

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Notes and highlighting are store in a completely different platform

Again, yes and no. This is true for now, but web notes are the precursor to a new, improved note system that will sync with desktop and mobile apps. We hope to deliver that later this year. 

Adam once again a sales pitch that is trying to make truth relative and ignore the absolutes. If a user uses the web platform for notes and highlighting their workflow will be split across two separate platforms and if FL suffers a server outage, or a user suffers a power or internet outage they will loose all access to those notes and highlights. Later in the year won't help a student trying to complete a paper when they loose access to their research because they have relied on the web platform.

Adam please don't give me the sales pitch and sweep over the serious issues I have raised by ensuring you communicate these risks to all customers who use the web app for notes and highlighting between now and that utopia of 'later this year'. After all that is what a responsible company would do and communicate the risks to its users.

And still no email.....

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 1:09 PM

Wondering if I should continue my subscription to Logos Now...maybe just buy the features instead 🤔🤔

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 2:26 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
And still no email.....

Forwarded to you. 

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 9 2017 3:47 PM

Email now recieved Adam, thank you for following up on this issue.

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Disciple of Christ (doc):
And still no email.....

Forwarded to you. 

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 10 2017 3:20 AM

I just happened to read this thread this morning before opening the web app. Could not help but noticing that before logging into the app, the web page clearly says "beta," so that is the official status Faithlife is communicating to the public. I agree with Doc that when Faithlife makes this available to a much wider audience, they need to clearly communicate the beta status and its implications/risks. This is a chance for the marketing team to really shine and "get it right." It will also prevent Faithlife from having to field countless calls and emails from angry/confused customers.

That said, I am a newly minted Logos Now member who joined less than two weeks ago. I am very thankful for the effort Faithlife has put into the web app, as it has allowed me to study the Bible on my old C720 Chromebook in a way I never could have before. Keep up the good work!

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Jack Nørdam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 10 2017 6:17 AM

Do I get this correctly: Next month Logos 7 features are not a part of Logos now membership anymore? 

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Timothy Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 10 2017 7:05 AM

Jack Nørdam:

Do I get this correctly: Next month Logos 7 features are not a part of Logos now membership anymore? 

No, you are mistaken. Logos Now will continue to include Logos 7 features as well as additional features not in Logos 7. Starting on July 1, the Logos Web App, which was available exclusively to Logos Now members, will be available to others who own Logos 7.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 10 2017 9:38 AM

Jack Nørdam:
Do I get this correctly: Next month Logos 7 features are not a part of Logos now membership anymore? 

To add onto what Timothy said, not only are Logos Now members not losing anything, they are actually gaining something. All the features and perks that come with Logos Now will still be there. There are essentially two changes that will take place beginning July 1. First, non-Logos Now members who own a Logos 7 base package will also be granted access to the web app (this does not take anything away from those who already have Logos Now). Second, Logos Now members will be offered a choice of several books each month that they can permanently keep free of charge. No word yet from Faithlife on what kinds of books will be offered, how many there will be to choose from, etc. Hope this helps, and thank you Faithlife for your generosity and continued hard work on the web app!

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