Best Laptop for Logos 7? 2 in 1?

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 15 2017 7:55 AM

Hello,

I am looking to purchase a new laptop. I'm on the road quite a bit and need something that can handle Logos 7 like a boss. As far as system requirements, I'm no computer amateur and know what to look for. What I'm interested in are suggestions from people who have a 2 in 1 laptop (touchscreen laptop that folds into a "tablet") that can give me some good advice. This also means I'm not looking to buy a Macbook.

Does Logos have good touchscreen support in Windows? 

Does your 2-in-one act as a pretty good "reader" when you're using it as a "tablet"? Would you go with a 2 in 1 if you had to buy another laptop? What screen size do you recommend?

I'm specificaly looking at the HP x360, but am definitely open to suggestions. 

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 8:25 AM

I use Logos 7 on my MS Surface Book.  In laptop mode it works great.  In tablet mode the issue is primarily that Logos relies heavily on "right click" and I frankly have not gotten the hang of it.  For reading in tablet mode it is fine.

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 8:45 AM

Thank you for your reply.

Does a "long press" invoke right click logic? or is there now way to right click in touchscreen mode?

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 8:53 AM

Long press is supposed to work, but you apparently have to hold your mouth just right. Stick out tongue

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 8:58 AM

hahah, okay I'll keep that in mind and hopefully Logos incorporates better windows touch support.

have you tried using a stylus in touch mode? Any impovements?

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 10:28 AM

Alexander Fogassy:
hopefully Logos incorporates better windows touch support

Users (me) have been asking for this since 2013 when the Surface Pro first came out

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 10:37 AM

Do you know if the stylus makes things any better?

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 10:39 AM

I think Faithlife should take away the mouse from their developers to force them to experience the pain for touch-screen users.

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 11:01 AM

Alexander Fogassy:

Do you know if the stylus makes things any better?

Yes, the stylus is almost mandatory.  The resolution on the Surface Book is so high that I have to employ the stylus for most applications.

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 11:11 AM

PL:

I think Faithlife should take away the mouse from their developers to force them to experience the pain for touch-screen users.

I used a similar philosophy when I led a project developing a web application several years ago.  I asked management to delay PC updates for people on our project.  My concern was building an application that worked on the latest and greatest machines, but was miserable for anyone on an older or less capable model.

One of the things I noticed this morning while using my Surface Book was the auto-hiding text in the <right-click> boxes.  With a mouse it is easy to hover in order to figure out which line is REFERENCE or SELECTION or LEMMA.  It isn't as easy on a touch screen. 

Of course, I NEVER like auto-hiding information.  The designers of my web email decided that they would auto-hide the most important widget for the application.  Thus, if you don't know where it is, you have to search for it.  I am sensitive to such nonsense having coached my father on computer access using his Zoom-text to make up for his partial blindness.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 7:14 AM

David A Egolf:

Alexander Fogassy:

Do you know if the stylus makes things any better?

Yes, the stylus is almost mandatory.  The resolution on the Surface Book is so high that I have to employ the stylus for most applications.

I concur (even though I set my screen resolution to 200% since the Surface resolution is so high)

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Daniel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 7:18 AM

I usually stay on the lower-end of PCs (i.e. I'm cheap), but I've still found that Logos 7 has worked well for me on a budget laptop.

I'm currently using an 11" Asus 2-in-1 (Transformer Book Flip TP200SA) that I got for less than $300 on Amazon a year and a half ago. It's got 4GB RAM and 64GB ROM, 64bit Windows 10, and I feel like it handles Logos decently. (Most of my Logos usage is reading, though.) Also great for travel, which I do a lot.

Maybe I have just tempered my expectations enough not to care, but I've been happy even with these modest specs.

And I rarely try to use the touchscreen with Logos. 

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 12:31 PM

I run a Dell Precision M4800 with a solid state drive. No touch screen but it motors along. I think a solid state drive makes a big difference over a normal drive. For "just" reading I use a kindle fire with the logos android app. This is cheap but functions very well. 

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 17 2017 3:51 PM

I'd be inclined to up my keyboard command skills for using Logos 7 on a small laptop. It's less an issue of Logos and more about the nature of small laptops. 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 20 2017 7:08 AM

David A Egolf:

I use Logos 7 on my MS Surface Book.  In laptop mode it works great.  In tablet mode the issue is primarily that Logos relies heavily on "right click" and I frankly have not gotten the hang of it.  For reading in tablet mode it is fine.

I confirm and agree with David.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 20 2017 7:12 AM

David Thomas:

David A Egolf:

Alexander Fogassy:

Do you know if the stylus makes things any better?

Yes, the stylus is almost mandatory.  The resolution on the Surface Book is so high that I have to employ the stylus for most applications.

I concur (even though I set my screen resolution to 200% since the Surface resolution is so high)

At first I used a wireless mouse with my Surface pro, but soon I found the combination of the touch screen and the touch pad on the keyboard more than adequate.  For me, that is.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 20 2017 4:43 AM

Here is another chance to let our voices be heard by Logos leaders - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/148421.aspx 

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 20 2017 6:48 AM

Interesting to see this thread of mine discussed once more. 

I ended up getting an HP Spectre x360 with updated specs (16GB RAM, i7 7560U processor, slightly updated graphics chip, and some other small things). 

It's a 13.3', 4K screen, and it looks beautiful. The laptop is 2-in-1, so I can flip it over and use it as a tablet/reader, which is quite nice. 

The stylus works well with Logos, or just the regular touchscreen for scrolling through resources. This is definitely the best laptop I've ever gotten and it works perfectly for my needs. Logos 7 runs as smooth as it does on my desktop (a relative powerhouse), which is probably in large part due to the MDOT SSD (a PCIe connected SSD, much faster then SATA II. The hard drive has the largest impact on Logos performance, other than maybe the CPU). 

Very glad that I went with this over a Mac. 

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Stuart A Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 1 2017 5:00 PM

>>>"The hard drive has the largest impact on Logos performance.."

So true.

The Surface is using board-mounted chip SSD that IS Samsung- but not the speed of the current outrageously fast NVME M2 960/961 series (with ~3000 MB/s read speeds, and read IOPS in the 400,000 range!)

Even the HP x360 newest version with 8th generation i7, is only using Intel M2 NVME SSD, with 1500 MB/s read speed.

Lenovo Yoga 720 series is using Samsung SSD, the cheaper PM961 series.  Read speed is in the 3000 MB/sec, but IOPS is 280,000.

For fastest reads and IOPS, either pick up a retail Samsung 960 PRO, or you can find OEM SM961 that has even a little faster read IOPS of 450,000 (in the 1TB version.)

Since these new laptops so slim, they don't want user upgrades, and void warranty if open.

Lenovo has a sticker over the screw that holds SSD in that is very friable.   But if a store like Best Buy Geek Squad installed it, I don't see an issue.

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