best laptop/specs to run logos 4

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Dan | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2010 10:18 AM

I don't know much about computers but am finding my current laptop is having a hard time keeping up with Logos 4. 

Lenovo R61i

Intel (R) Pentium (R) Dual CPU

T2330 @ 1.60Ghz

1.47GB of RAM

Any advice?

Thanks,

Dan

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:56 AM

What sort of Graphics card (integrated or discrete) do you have? If it's integrated then it is sharing memory with your Ram making it likely that you are just barely at the Minimum Specs in that regard ( see: http://www.logos.com/support/techfaq#sysreqs ). There's also a good chance that your Hard drive is 5400 RPM which can slow Logos down. 

All of that to say, upgrading your RAM is probably the only option you have to significantly speed up Logos on this computer hardware-wise.

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Randy O'Brien | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 31 2010 11:56 AM

Dan:

Have you tried the wiki suggestions? http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Running_Slowly

I have virtually the same computer you have (mine has a slightly faster processor and 1/2GB more ram) and agree that it is just barely workable.

Your header calls for 'best specs' so I'll share what I think should fall into that category. I ordered a new HP 8540w that should arrive in days. (It's been delayed for 6 weeks or so due to manufacturing issues.) I bought it based on the specs that these forum contributors keep mentioning...i7 processor...fast hdd...1gb graphics card. It seems like overkill to me, but I weighed out the amount of time I spend with logos each week and realized that it's silly to invest thousands into libraries and try to cut corners on the hardware to drive it.

Even though it includes a 3-year on-site warranty and free docking station it still isn't cheap. I bought HP 6545b laptops for my associates (not sure of the specs) and they seem to run logos 4 just fine. they commented at how slowly it was running on my lenovo compared to their new machines. Just wait! I'll smoke them once my new one arrives!

Hope that little input helps. Happy Easter!

Randy

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Richard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 31 2010 12:01 PM

I have  a dual core 2.0 GHz, 3GB RAM laptop with integrated graphics on Windows 7.  Logos and graphics programs are the only apps that drag.  One of my holdups is my 5400RPM hard drive.  Do get 7200RPM.  I don't know how much of a different it will make, but can only help.  My other holdup appears to be memory -- I assume discreet graphics would fix this.

-- Richard

Logos 6 Mac (always the latest beta)

MacBook Air Mid 2011 (Lion)  |  1.8GHz Core i7  |  4GB RAM  |  256GB SSD
Samsung Galaxy S5

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Ron Cook | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 8:06 AM

I purchased a new laptop last week for the same reasons.  Upgrading your RAM will help.  I was skeptical about the graphics card making a difference.  However, my new laptop has switchable graphics which means that I can run integrated graphics to save power or switch on nvidea geforce with 512 mb of memory.  Runnning a basic LOGOS search from the homepage I clocked a ten second difference between the two graphics cards.  So, it does make a difference.  

Samsung Series 7; Windows 8 64 bit; Intel Core i7-3635QM @2.4GHz; 8 GB RAM; 1 GB NVIDIA GeForce GT640M

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 9:10 AM

richardsugg@gmail.com:

I have  a dual core 2.0 GHz, 3GB RAM laptop with integrated graphics on Windows 7.  Logos and graphics programs are the only apps that drag.  One of my holdups is my 5400RPM hard drive.  Do get 7200RPM.  I don't know how much of a different it will make, but can only help.  My other holdup appears to be memory -- I assume discreet graphics would fix this.

Speeding up the hard drive is a bigger factor in L3 than L4, because of the indexing feature. Of course the indexing will happen faster with a 7200RPM HD, but for the money, IMHO, you'd be better off getting a faster, dedicated Video card with lots of RAM.

An even bigger factor, I believe, is the CPU. L4 does take advantage of quad-core technology, so, if you're considering a new computer, something like an i7 would be a huge advantage over a dual core, or even a core2 duo. BTW, anecdotally, Intels seem to do better than comparable AMD's, so if you have a choice, go with the Intel.

If you are not buying a new system, but want to upgrade your current, go with at least 3GB RAM, and find a dedicated video card with at least 512MB dedicated video RAM (nVidia seems to do better than ATI, if you have a choice).

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Richard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 9:20 AM

That was *very* helpful!  I've saved your response and will refer to it when/if I ever get a new laptop.

-- Richard

Logos 6 Mac (always the latest beta)

MacBook Air Mid 2011 (Lion)  |  1.8GHz Core i7  |  4GB RAM  |  256GB SSD
Samsung Galaxy S5

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Richard Crampton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 9:23 AM

I just purchased Inspiron 11z to replace my netbook.  It has a su4100 cpu, 4500mhd integrated graphics, 4 gig of ram, 250gig 5400rpm hd and windows 7 64.  It runs Logos 4 fairly well.   

My Inspiron 1720 is faster of course, but it's a pain to lug around.  It has a p8300 cpu (2.4 ghz), 256 meg nividia 8600m gt graphics, 3 gb ram, 500gb 7200rpm hd and windows 7 64.

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 11:10 AM

Richard DeRuiter:

dedicated Video card with lots of RAM.

An even bigger factor, I believe, is the CPU. L4 does take advantage of quad-core technology, so, if you're considering a new computer, something like an i7 would be a huge advantage over a dual core, or even a core2 duo.

 

Forgive me for butting in with my own issue. This does not concern a laptop...but a PC...a Sony Vaio. It has a 3.8 GHZ processor. As i understand it (actually, I don't understand any of it) it has hyper-threading. (as a generic / virtual dual core ?) That's what has me confuzzed. I have read that the ram has to be used in pairs in order to take advantage of the technology. I have 2 g installed... Belarc tells me i have 1g in slot J6G1, and 1g in J6H1.  (J6G2 and J6H2 are empty.) But when i look in the tower, it would appear that Sony installed the ram in what i would consider slot 1 and slot 3.  If i buy 2 sticks of 512, to get to the optimal 3g,.. In what order should they be installed to get the best results?...Just stick it in the open slots?...or does it need to be re-arranged?

 

I sure hope i didn't cause you to be as confuzzed as i am. ...Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 11:17 AM

Abi Gail:

Forgive me for butting in with my own issue. This does not concern a laptop...but a PC...a Sony Vaio. It has a 3.8 GHZ processor. As i understand it (actually, I don't understand any of it) it has hyper-threading. (as a generic / virtual dual core ?) That's what has me confuzzed. I have read that the ram has to be used in pairs in order to take advantage of the technology. I have 2 g installed... Belarc tells me i have 1g in slot J6G1, and 1g in J6H1.  (J6G2 and J6H2 are empty.) But when i look in the tower, it would appear that Sony installed the ram in what i would consider slot 1 and slot 3.  If i buy 2 sticks of 512, to get to the optimal 3g,.. In what order should they be installed to get the best results?...Just stick it in the open slots?...or does it need to be re-arranged?

 

I sure hope i didn't cause you to be as confuzzed as i am. ...Thanks in advance for any advice.

I was confuzzed, but then I shaved. Wink

You'd have to ask Sony what they recommend, as system board designs differ, not only by manufacturer, but even by specific system design. You might bypass having to ask Sony if you had a good user manual.

If you do ask Sony be sure to be as specific as you can be about your hardware configuration (model, year of mfg, etc.).

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 11:41 AM

I emailed Sony support. They were not as prompt as you were. it has been a year or more. i really don't see any major slow-downs the way it is. i would be willing to upgrade the ram...if i knew for sure i wouldn't make it worse...so i guess i'm back to square one...just live with the amount of ram that i have.

                                                                                          Thanks again for responding...God Bless

 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 11:48 AM

Abi Gail:

I emailed Sony support. They were not as prompt as you were. it has been a year or more. i really don't see any major slow-downs the way it is. i would be willing to upgrade the ram...if i knew for sure i wouldn't make it worse...so i guess i'm back to square one...just live with the amount of ram that i have.

                                                                                          Thanks again for responding...God Bless

 

If there's a Sony forum you could try asking there, but most of those forums are not that helpful.

Another option is to find an authorized Sony repair place in your area and ask them face to face about RAM for your particular system. They probably have it and can tell you which specific RAM you need, and how it needs to be configured. Their price for that RAM will be higher than you might find elsewhere, but you'll know you're getting the right stuff. Most of them will let you buy it from them, even if you install it yourself. (BTW, I wouldn't trust any advice you get from BestBuy, or any big other box store. You simply don't know if they know what they're talking about for your specific system. Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they don't, but think they do.)

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 29 2010 9:06 AM

I'm in the market for a new laptop that will run L4. I'm looking at buying  Lenovo x201 that has the Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66-3.33GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz FSB), 320 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm, but the problem is that it only has Intel HD Graphics. From what I am hearing in the forum discrete graphics make a big difference. Is a discrete graphics card something that can be added by me after the purchase of the the x201? How much would this cost?

Thanks all!

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 29 2010 10:51 PM

If you have access to a good store with stock of the models you are interested in, go take a look, and pull up the Performance Tool from Control Panel, or from the Games Menu.

This below is from my laptop (Vista32). I assume Windows 7 will still have this tool or one like it. (Someone might confirm this please).

As others have said: CPU, Disk, Memory and Video performances are all important at different times for running Logos4.

Compare the 2 or 3 models you think you might want to buy. Bigger is better, but traded off againist how much you want to pay, and how demanding you are on performance over cash-in-hand, left in the bank!

For my laptop, Windows Vista32 with 4 GB Ram, and the video card has its own 1500 or so MB of Ram, I find Logos4 performs well in general.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 30 2010 12:10 AM

dthornton, sorry to not have anything to add to the good advice Jim already gave you. But you might want to change your forum display name to something other than your email address so that spam-bots don't pick it up. Here's how:

http://wiki.logos.com/Changing_Forum_Display_Name

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 30 2010 10:18 AM

I'm looking at buying  Lenovo x201 that has the Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66-3.33GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz FSB), 320 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm, but the problem is that it only has Intel HD Graphics (integrated). From what I am hearing in the forum discrete graphics make a big difference. Is a discrete graphics card something that can be added by me after the purchase of the the x201? Are discrete graphics that important?

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 30 2010 10:25 AM

dthornton:

I'm looking at buying  Lenovo x201 that has the Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66-3.33GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz FSB), 320 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm, but the problem is that it only has Intel HD Graphics (integrated). From what I am hearing in the forum discrete graphics make a big difference. Is a discrete graphics card something that can be added by me after the purchase of the the x201? Are discrete graphics that important?

It is unlikely that you would be able to add a graphics card to a laptop after you purchase it. A desktop would be another matter but laptops are much more difficult to open up to change hardware.

I run a laptop with integrated graphics (Intel HD) and I am pleased with its Logos performance. It doesn't perform as well as my more beefy desktop with dedicated graphics but the difference is not substantial. In my opinion, multiple cores and a 7200 RPM drive and 4 GB or more of Ram are the most important requirements for Logos. Yes, you would see better performance with a video card but I don't think it's necessary on a new laptop of the specs you are quoting.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 1 2010 7:26 AM

Ten seconds here, ten seconds there - Hey, five or six times and your talking a minute.  Wink

I agree that a graphics card does improve the Logos experience.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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