Logos and Verbum

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 23 2017 6:03 AM

I agree.

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MJ. Smith:

The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation.

I agree with you that this behavior is incorrect. I'll make a note to do a quick check on this Monday.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 24 2017 11:02 AM

All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.

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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 24 2017 11:51 AM

SineNomine:

All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.

Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?

Where does it show up?

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 24 2017 11:59 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

SineNomine:

All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.

Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?

Where does it show up?

The actual Verbum program, and it shows up in the taskbar.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 8:45 AM

SineNomine:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

SineNomine:

All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.

Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?

Where does it show up?

The actual Verbum program, and it shows up in the taskbar.

I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8.  "Set Verbum to Yes."  Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."  

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Friedrich:
I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8.  "Set Verbum to Yes."  Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."  

This is the expected behaviour, because you are still running Logos.

See this thread for recent discussion: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173968/1004654.aspx#1004654 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 9:42 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Friedrich:
I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8.  "Set Verbum to Yes."  Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."  

This is the expected behaviour, because you are still running Logos.

See this thread for recent discussion: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173968/1004654.aspx#1004654 

Thanks, Bradley.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 12:42 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Michel Pauw:

My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?

Not much.

  • The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
  • A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
  • The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
  • There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
  • Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
  • An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
  • The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)

There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.

I don't do Verbum but I'd think it would be fun to have a Saint of the day option to read about... maybe that is just me though

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 12:47 PM

I switched to verbum, because there were more book advertisements than in Logos.  I don't know why.  It seems everything in Logos is in Verbum but not the other way around.  If I'm wrong, I hope somebody corrects me.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 2:29 PM

Larry Craig:
It seems everything in Logos is in Verbum but not the other way around.  If I'm wrong, I hope somebody corrects me.

Logos has some passage guide sections to external sites that are not in Verbum. The new Help cards are not in Verbum.

Verbum has some default collections that are not in Logos.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 2:34 PM

Thank  you.  I appreciate it.

I don't understand why they wouldn't keep them more uniform.  Verbum users wouldn't be interested in these external sites?  I got my masters at Loyola University.  Biblical studies was not considered a parochial matter.  And Verbum users don't need help?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 2:36 PM

Larry Craig:
I don't understand why they wouldn't keep them more uniform.

Neither do I. But, trust me, you don't want my opinion ... far too long and detailed. Let's just say  I usually turn to belief-revision logic to discuss the issues. I understand why Faithlife maintains two product lines but I believe that FL erroneously believes that there is a definable line between the two groups of users. There is not - there is a continuum. FL could cut costs by keeping the underlying code uniform and recognizing the continuum.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 2:39 PM

If your opinion is in written form, one can usually scan it and find the important stuff.  In oral form, it can be hard to keep one's attention.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 2:56 PM

Larry Craig:
If your opinion is in written form . . .

It is more a matter of language as I discovered when trying to explain to a Christian Scientist why an anthropology class was using Christian Science as an example for the life-cycle of a cult. She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 3:07 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

  • An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
  • The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)

As support for the fact that  the churches/users are a continuum without a fixed dividing line:

  • Technically both the Anglicans and the Lutherans support larger canons as well - the degree to which this occurs in practice depends upon the country, language, and individual church. The Orthodox canons are generally larger than the Catholic.
  • Saints of the Day are also a feature of the Anglicans, Lutherans, some Presbyterians, some Methodists, all flavors of Orthodox ...

In software design, failure to recognize the continuum has resulted in more work and a less useful product.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2020 3:10 PM

MJ. Smith:
She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.

Sitting here laughing at the situation. I can imagine it happening within my own denomination. 

We could do with a symbol to be used next to a word such as "cult" to signify that it was being used in a technical, non-pejorative sense.

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