way to make HALOT show transcriptions in original language fonts?

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 28 2017 7:15 AM

Often HALOT will list meanings in cognate languages for supporting the nuance argued for.

I have Ugaritic fonts installed and they work in Logos; I made a custom highlight which uses Ugaritic.

I'm wondering is there a way to turn on the Ugaritic fonts in HALOT so whenever an Ugaritic word is listed it will show?

If not, is there some visual filter trickery that could be done? For example HALOT always marks the Ugaritic entry with "Ug.", can I make a filter that says "find word Ug. and make next word use these fonts?"

I'd also like to turn on Arabic and Syriac the way they are turned on in Extended BDB.

Here's a screen shot from HALOT where an Ugaritic word is used in the definition of a Hebrew word.

My custom highlighting showing "Shalom" in Ugaritic in pink is visible.

Thanks whoever can help!

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 8:31 AM

I'l also interested in showing transliterated Ugaritic texts which I have, in Ugaritic characters instead.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 9:04 AM

The problem, I believe, is that paper HALOT transliterates, and Logos tries to match that. I'd be interested in being able to retroject as well, as sometimes I find it easier to recognize/read in the original script. I understand Hebrew in Hebrew script much faster than transliterated Hebrew. 

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 11:33 AM

Yes, you're right; I have HALOT on my bookshelf. I'm with you on transliterations; Hebrew transliteration or others; even on scripts where I'm slow to read them (Arabic/Syriac) I prefer to force myself through it so I can improve. Also, I do a better job categorizing in my memory where a cognate came from if I see it in that language's proper script; otherwise the waters get muddled in my mind.

I was just wondering if there is any kind of mechanism to create a visual filter where it can change the font. 

We can make filters which capitalize letters and such (a capital A is a different unicode character than a lowercase a); and I can find the ugaritic words in HALOT (when there is just 1 word) by searching on the "Ug." key word; so it seems this may be possible. 

I expect/hope a developer will say "yes but then the keymapping will be off so you'll get the wrong letters anyway".

If it's possible to just change the font of letters then heck I'd be willing to learn how to make a new keymap for an Ugaritic font to map it to the right transliteration letters if they don't map already; or find a font which maps accordingly.

Arabic and the rest could follow. Thanks for chiming in Ben, I've been monitoring this post for a reply eagerly hoping for a gift of "YES" and just seeing a response that someone agrees made me happy :)

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 11:44 AM

OK I'm closer; well the first step.

I just made a visual filter which when I highlight something changes it to an ugaritic font. See pic 1 then pic 2.

It's not properly converting the ayin but the other 3 letters it got right.

Next I need to find out if it's just ayin or other letters that miss the map also. Then if anyone can help,

how do I write a query for my filter that says "get me the word after 'Ug.'". 

I could do this with regular expressions but I don't think that's supported.

I'm trying:

1 WORD AFTER Ug.

but just getting "Ug." highlighted

Thanks,

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 12:09 PM

Using a cooler font now, way more Ugariticy looking...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 12:25 PM

Jeremiah:

I'm trying:

1 WORD AFTER Ug.

but just getting "Ug." highlighted

The syntax is incorrect and you need a wildcard * for 'any' word e.g.

* AFTER 1 WORD Ug.

But the search is incredibly slow and not recommended for a Visual filter.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 12:31 PM

Thanks Dave,

wow you're right it is slow. 

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 28 2017 1:20 PM

I tried to make a visual filter just for the heck of it to test... and it's picking up not just the word after Ug. but also Ug. itself. 

Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search? SO I just get the word after it?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 29 2017 3:05 AM

Jeremiah:
Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search?

No! All Search terms will be highlighted. The only way is to create a list of the Ug. words e.g. UgWord1, UgWord2, UgWord3, UgWord4... (you can use multiple search lines).

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 29 2017 11:31 AM

Thanks Dave!

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 6 2017 4:31 PM

Well I got the highlighter working right.

I had to change the font character mapping for certain unicode volues of the transliteration characters and rebuild the font,  but my "reverse transliteration" highlighter now works haha.

If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share. You just highlight the transliteration that you want to see encoded as Ugaritic cuneiform.

This is a screenshot of a page from HALOT.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 7 2017 3:54 AM

Jeremiah:
If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share.

Do share. I have zero knowledge of the language, although I am aware of its importance as it has much in common with biblical Hebrew. I will file your response for later use. Thanks.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 7 2017 7:46 PM

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 8 2017 2:46 AM

Beloved:

Jeremiah:
If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share.

Do share. I have zero knowledge of the language, although I am aware of its importance as it has much in common with biblical Hebrew. I will file your response for later use. Thanks.

OK, I'm trying to see how I can send you this. Is there a way to private message on here?

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 8 2017 6:02 AM

Jeremiah:
Is there a way to private message on here?

Join Faithlife you can message me from there. There are plenty of groups that may interest you!

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 9 2017 2:08 PM

Hi Jeremiah,

Looking forward to hearing from you on this either through forums or by FL messaging. Thanks, Beloved.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 10 2017 12:40 PM

Beloved can you contact me through Faith life messaging?

I'm new to this; I tried to send a message to your username, Beloved, and couldn't find you.

I don't use FaceBook so probably it's something intuitive for FaceBook users or other social media which I'm just not seeing.

Thanks, looking forward to connecting over there.

-Jeremiah

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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 10 2017 12:45 PM

Jeremiah:

Beloved can you contact me through Faith life messaging?

I'm new to this; I tried to send a message to your username, Beloved, and couldn't find you.

I don't use FaceBook so probably it's something intuitive for FaceBook users or other social media which I'm just not seeing.

Thanks, looking forward to connecting over there.

-Jeremiah

Just click on his name in the post above yours. This will take you to his profile page where you can send a message.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 13 2017 8:40 PM

yeah I went to his page but i thought there was a way to send private messages. Is there only the public post? Like how do we exchange private contact information without piblicly posting it On each others profiles?

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