Touch Functionality for Logos 4 - Windows 7 Tablet PC

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Robert Forlenza | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 1 2010 8:46 AM

I am currently using Logos 4 on a Tablet PC with Touch functionality. Although it runs well, there is minimal advantage taken from the touch functionality. Swiping the reading material doesn't scroll the page, it instead highlights the section.

Optimizing the reading interface to utilize the touch functionality and enhance the ergonomics of reading would greatly improve the interface of this wonderful application.

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 9:02 AM

I agree that this would be helpful

I am planning to get a windows tablet because it is the only way to get full Logos 4 functionality (and the full library) on a Tablet (take that Ipad). it would be helpful is Logos 4 could have basic tablet functionality.

 

 

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 7:13 PM

RobertForlenza:

I am currently using Logos 4 on a Tablet PC with Touch functionality. ... it runs well, ...

Which Tablet are you using/specs?

I don't want to plunk down the $3K for the Lenovo i7 convertible, but fear the HP Tx2 is too underpowered to provide an acceptable experience.  I want to be able to read/analyze quietly without audible key clicks or the 3D space a conventional laptop demands.

The iPad is exciting, but since it won't offer the full L4 experience I'm not inclined to get it....I also don't want to have a monthly service bill (i.e., iPhone, iPad) [I realize they have some offline functionality, but they were really intended for online use]

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 1 2010 7:36 PM

The problem with Logos on a tablet is not Logos but Windows Tablet interface. It would be nice for Logos to make such a specific interface and I would love it since I have an HPTX2500 tablet. Runs well but is very heavy and hot in tablet mode. My wife uses it as her laptop and seldom in Tablet mode.

The biggest problem you will have with Logos 4 on the tablet is that the controls of Logos 4 are a little smaller than usual Windows controls. What you need is slightly bigger.

I would not get a Tablet for Logos. But if you need a tablet and want a tablet, then Logos will likely run on it even on older hardware like mine. Just know there will be a slight frustration due to non-standard interface in Logos.

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Robert Forlenza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 2 2010 5:05 AM

I am using the Lenovo i7 tablet that you seem to be referring to. In reality, I am using it dual purpose.

I want all of the regular and powerful study/search capabilities of Logos, but also would like a reader interface that is conducive to sitting in a sermon. Switching to a reader mode that allowed the touch capability to navigate the document is pretty much all that is lacking. The most difficult aspect is the size of the scroll bar and the fact that swipes aren't recognized for scrolling/panning.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 2 2010 5:30 AM

RobertForlenza:

I am using the Lenovo i7 tablet

Thanks; would love to know how satisfied in general you've been with the new Lenovo--all I see in their forums are complaints about how long it took to recieve the older non-i7 model.  I also can't figure out if the "outdoor" LCD is multi-touch or not.  

I used to use a MotionComputing slate and loved it...although being left handed is a challenge with a tablet (controls on wrong side of screen, writing recognition is less accurate, etc).  When I had to return that, it was a sad day.  I used a convertible tablet (Toshiba I think) for a while, but it ran quite hot, was heavy to hold at an angle while reading, and the controls/resolution weren't as well implemented as the MotionCompution slate was.

I'll be off the forum for about a week

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Robert Forlenza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 2 2010 5:57 AM

This is my fifth ThinkPad product. I had Compaq Armada's and HP laptops before that and I was converted long ago. I used to hate the fact that IBM loaded all these applets on top of Windows, but shortly after having my first quickly realized the benefits that were being provided. There simply is not a better laptop, business or otherwise, than the ThinkPad line which has certainly continued under the Lenovo line. I am currently using a W700 and a X201t, both do what they are designed for very well.

Now, in all honesty the new Lenovo has had it's share of problems - apparently resulting from the demand for their product line. The X201t that I took delivery of this week was actually the fifth order that I placed for my tablet. The first two configurations had options that they could not deliver and needed to be reconfigured/reordered. The third was delivered without any finger touch functionality and was returned. The fourth was placed and during the build cycle the X201t was released. I felt that the features and designs on the X201t were significantly greater than on the X200t that I cancelled that order and placed one for the X201t. My scenario started October 30th and I ultimately received the unit I wanted on March 30th, but am certainly happy with the outcome.

The outdoor viewable screen is pen touch only and does not have finger touch capabilities. This may or may not be a deal breaker for you, but I wanted the finger touch capabilities.

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Mark Searle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2010 6:56 AM

Just go Logos 4 today and running on a TX2. To resolve the touch issues I have reprogrammed the diagonal flicks.

UpRight Flick = PageUP

DownLeft = Page Down

Seams to work well.

Mark

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 7:42 PM

I have the Lenovo x200t with touch screen (not the newer multi-touch)

I agree with Kevin about the smaller window controls. You can increase the program scaling which can help a little but it reduces screen real estate.

I also have programed the win7 pen flicks similar to what Mark suggested. This works pretty good with a pen but not so good with my finger, but I do have the older touch screen so it may work better with the new screen.

I also try to move the tabbed window to the side where my hand rests and just touch the scroll bar for page up and page down, but it can be tricky with the thinner scroll bar.

Version 4 is much better with the tablet than v. 3 but there could still be some improvements that would make it great. Thanks for making the suggestion!

Anonymous | | Replied: Thu, May 6 2010 4:24 PM

Ward Walker:
Which Tablet are you using/specs?

I'm using a Gateway C-120X.  The specs will easily be beaten by most any current tablet.   The most affordable current tablet is probably the HP tm2t, which is probably what I'd get if I were buying a new one today.

Most of my performance issues are when Logos just goes non-responsive for long periods.  This is still significant on big desktop systems that might run 2 or 4 times faster.  You also have to be careful about having multiple reports open in follow mode.  But again, a faster computer wouldn't solve that problem either.  These are things that need to be literally 1 to 2 orders of magnitude faster to be acceptable.

Studying with a tablet, Logos, and OneNote in comfortable chair is way more productive than you'll ever do with a keyboard, Logos, and a word processor.

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Anonymous | | Replied: Thu, May 6 2010 4:28 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
The biggest problem you will have with Logos 4 on the tablet is that the controls of Logos 4 are a little smaller than usual Windows controls. What you need is slightly bigger.

Logos has a setting to increase the size of the GUI elements.  I bump mine up a notch, and then bump the text size back down a notch.  Works well for touch.  However, since I usually use Logos along with OneNote, I'm inking most of the time anyway, so the stylus is right there in my hand.  Only if I'm reading a book do I really use touch much, and then I'm just doing swipes to do a page up/down and not interacting with the GUI much.

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Anonymous | | Replied: Thu, May 6 2010 4:32 PM

RobertForlenza:
The most difficult aspect is the size of the scroll bar and the fact that swipes aren't recognized for scrolling/panning.

This is a Microsoft bug.  Map swipe up/down to page down/up instead of scroll up/down and it should work OK for resource panels.  Some panels don't respond to page down/up key presses either.

Another way to deal with this is to turn on the Touch Pointer feature which gives you a virtual mouse on screen.  Vista gives you a toolbar that can be added to the task bar that gives you a one touch toggle for this feature.  In windows 7 you have to drill down into the settings (pen and touch I think).

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Anonymous | | Replied: Thu, May 6 2010 4:38 PM

I was really looking forward to the HP Slate device.  Rumor his that it's been canned though.  It could have been a neat dedicated Logos device.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 30 2010 9:51 AM

I'm looking at purchasing the lenovo x201 with i7 processor. But from what others are saying the discrete graphics option is important for L4 performance. the x201 has only integrated graphics and I imagine your tablet is the same ---- so how is L4 performance?

Anonymous | | Replied: Wed, Jun 30 2010 10:24 AM

I find it tolerable for the most part on my ancient Gateway tablet with integrated graphics.  I think most of the major performance problems of Logos 4 have little to do with the graphics per se and are a problem no matter how fast the graphics rendering is.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 25 2010 1:57 PM

I was surprised to discover that timelines are touch friendly on my tablet; I caneasily drag through them with my finger, unlike other parts of l4.  Regretfully, pinch to zoom doesn't work in them though.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 25 2010 2:12 PM

Here is the one I purchased:

      http://bit.ly/TabletPC

I am quite pleased with it - with LOGOS.  I do not consider myself a power user, but it works as well as any other implementation of LOGOS I have seen.  

With 4GB (can be upgraded to 8 GB) and a 500GB HD.  The system has a rating of 3.2 - totally the result of the graphics ability built into the system.  I am not a game player, so do not have concerns here for myself.  All other subcategories are rated at 4.2 or above - the HD is rated 5.1.  

I did buy an extended warranty - but that has been my practice for some time.  Since I normally purchase lower end systems (e.g. this $900 Tablet PC), I am not surprised to have problems as it nears the end of its 3 or 4 year life.

Blessings,
Floyd

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 26 2010 11:28 AM

I have a different configuration of that same Tablet; I have the i5 processor and the "external" graphics upgrade, with 6 GB RAM, running Win 7.  I hope to replace the HDD with an SSD and get a little more speed and a little longer battery life out of it...but I'll have to stop buying pre-pubs to afford that Wink

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 6:32 PM

If you are looking for a reasonable Tablet PC, I just saw this:

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Anonymous | | Replied: Fri, Oct 1 2010 6:40 AM

The HP Slate is rumored to be coming out this month (finally).  1.8GHz Atom, 2GB RAM, touch and pen (not clear if ntrig, wacom, or capactive though), WSVGA, 64GB SSD.  If reasonably priced and 4 our 5 hour battery life, I plan to get one as a dedicated Logos4/OneNote device, while keeping my gateway tablet for Adobe software (though I'd like to upgrade it to something like the hp tm2t or fujitsu T900 convertable tablets.

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