Finding a question in John Owen

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2017 9:19 PM

I watched a YouTube vid by Derek Thomas on John Owen. In this short video he made mention that he read in the Works of John Owen: Volume 7 this:

"what (do) you think about when you're not thinking about anything in particular"?

How do I find that quote?

Also, how can I find questions that an author makes in a book?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 9 2017 9:36 PM

Milkman:

I watched a YouTube vid by Derek Thomas on John Owen. In this short video he made mention that he read in the Works of John Owen: Volume 7 this:

"what (do) you think about when you're not thinking about anything in particular"?

How do I find that quote?

Also, how can I find questions that an author makes in a book?

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I did a Basic Search for "not thinking about anything in particular" and found two results:

https://ref.ly/logosres/gospbrnghme?ref=Page.p+17

https://ref.ly/logosres/holyholyholy?ref=Page.p+109&off=1073

Both are by Derek Thomas.

He provides this quote in the first, which he appears to be summarizing in the statement you quoted: “Ordinarily voluntary thoughts are the best measure and indication of the frame of our minds.”

Here's the source from his footnote: John Owen, The Works of John Owen, ed. W. H. Goold (1850–53; repr., London: Banner of Truth, 1965), 275.

Here's its location: https://ref.ly/logosres/worksowen07?ref=Page.p+274&off=2136.

Here's the broader context for the quote:

“Thoughts and meditations as proceeding from spiritual affections are the first things wherein this spiritual mindedness doth consist, and whereby it doth evidence itself. Our thoughts are like the blossoms on a tree in the spring. You may see a tree in the spring all covered with blossoms, so that nothing else of it appears. Multitudes of them fall off and come to nothing. Ofttimes where there are most blossoms there is least fruit. But yet there is no fruit, be it of what sort it will, good or bad, but it comes in and from some of those blossoms. The mind of man is covered with thoughts, as a tree with blossoms. Most of them fall off, vanish, and come to nothing, end in vanity; and sometimes where the mind doth most abound with them there is the least fruit; the sap of the mind is wasted and consumed in them. Howbeit there is no fruit which actually we bring forth, be it good or bad, but it proceeds from some of these thoughts. Wherefore, ordinarily, these give the best and surest measure of the frame of men’s minds. “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he” Prov. 23:7. In case of strong and violent temptations, the real frame of a man’s heart is not to be judged by the multiplicity of thoughts about any object, for whether they are from Satan’s suggestions, or from inward darkness, trouble, and horror, they will impose such a continual sense of themselves on the mind as shall engage all its thoughts about them; as when a man is in a storm at sea, the current of his thoughts run quite another way than when he is in safety about his occasions. But ordinarily voluntary thoughts are the best measure and indication of the frame of our minds. As the nature of the soil is judged by the grass which it brings forth, so may the disposition of the heart by the predominancy of voluntary thoughts; they are the original actings of the soul, the way whereby the heart puts forth and empties the treasure that is in it, the waters that first rise and flow from that fountain. Every man’s heart is his treasury, and the treasure that is in it is either good or evil, as our Saviour tells us. There is a good and bad treasure of the heart; but whatever a man hath, be it good or evil, there it is. This treasure is opening, emptying, and spending itself continually, though it can never be exhausted; for it hath a fountain, in nature or grace, which no expense can diminish, yea, it increaseth and getteth strength by it. The more you spend of the treasure of your heart in any kind, the more will you abound in treasure of the same kind. Whether it be good or evil, it grows by expense and exercise; and the principal way whereby it puts forth itself is by the thoughts of the mind. If the heart be evil, they are for the most part vain, filthy, corrupt, wicked, foolish; if it be under the power of a principle of grace, and so have a good treasure in it, it puts forth itself by thoughts suitable unto its nature and compliant with its inclinations.”

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Colin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 10 2017 2:06 AM

Great detective work Phil! The broader context for the quotation is also very helpful. Thanks!
Colin. 

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 10 2017 7:42 AM

Thanks Phil. That works perfectly.

Now. How would I do a search for a question that an author states in a resource? For example. How could I find all the questions Jesus or anyone else asks in a book? All the questions Jesus asks in Mark for instance.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 10 2017 9:12 AM

Milkman:
For example. How could I find all the questions Jesus or anyone else asks in a book?

Propositional Outlines is one Bible search option:

({Section <PropositionalOutline = Question>} OR {Section <PropositionalOutline = Question (No)>} OR {Section <PropositionalOutline = Question (Yes)>}) WITHIN ({Speaker <Person God>} OR {Speaker <Person Jesus>} OR {Speaker <Person Holy Spirit>})

Interrogative Sentence is another way to search Bibles for questions:

{Section <Sentence = Interrogative>} INTERSECTS ({Speaker <Person God>} OR {Speaker <Person Jesus>} OR {Speaker <Person Holy Spirit>})

Changing interrogative search changes color result for Speaker:

({Speaker <Person God>} OR {Speaker <Person Jesus>} OR {Speaker <Person Holy Spirit>}) INTERSECTS {Section <Sentence = Interrogative>} 

Keep Smiling Smile

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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 11 2017 7:09 AM

I watched that video also. I started reading the part he mentions this week. I don't have it in Logos but I do have the hardbacks. Oh John Owen, he has ripped me to shreds, and he has brought me great comfort.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 11 2017 7:47 AM

Hey Tony, I know what you mean. He's sooo up to date for an old guy Big Smile

Tony Walker:

I watched that video also. I started reading the part he mentions this week. I don't have it in Logos but I do have the hardbacks. Oh John Owen, he has ripped me to shreds, and he has brought me great comfort.

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