Remove Lexham English Bible from mobile App

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2017 9:49 AM

I do not understand why FaithLife or Logos chose to imbed the Lexham English Bible into the mobile App, but I personally find it very annoying ! I manually remove every time I start the App. I did not down load it and I not want it in my library ! This is very close to Proselytizing on the part of FaithLife/Logos, in I opinion. There are many Bible translations/versions available for down load. Please keep your hands off MY Library ! 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 10:09 AM

That's one reason I use Noet.  I got tired of their forced resource downloads. I can handle a forced ancient book by somebody I can't remember. 


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alabama24 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 10:29 AM

Doug Maze:
I do not understand why FaithLife or Logos chose to imbed the Lexham English Bible into the mobile App

There are a number of features which require a bible with reverse interlinear installed. FL has chosen to use their own translation for a number of reasons. 

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 10:47 AM

I disagree with that business model. That decision should be left to the subcriber/end-user. Why should I be inconvienced to remove a Bible resource I do not want, from MY library, every time start the App ? It should be Offered to people, and let them decide if they want the particular Bible resource or not. What I choose to store in library, for my digital Scriptural studies, is not up to FS ! The fact that FS would chose to use their own translation, reinforces my resolve not be appogetic for using the term "Proselytizing".

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alabama24 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 11:06 AM

Unless this has changed at some point, we have been told that to function correctly, a bible needs to be installed. It is integrated into the app itself. For many reasons, including financial, they have chosen to use their own translation. 

If you prefer not to have it downloaded, you could always do what Denise suggests and use NOET instead for a pure library app. 

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 11:18 AM

Dose not the App already come with the KJV installed ? I use the ESV/LSB, with the NIV (older version) for cross reference. I get greatly incensed when I feel corporations/groups are craming their Theology down-my-throat, in the name of "better business, or community harmony". 

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alabama24 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 11:27 AM

Doug Maze:
Dose not the App already come with the KJV installed ?

The app has online access to a number of resources, including (I believe) the KJV. 

Doug Maze:
I use the ESV/LSB, with the NIV (older version) for cross reference. I get greatly incensed when I feel corporations/groups are craming their Theology down-my-throat, in the name of "better business, or community harmony". 

If it defaulted to any of the above, it would be an identical situation to what you are complaining about now. 

FWIW - I sent an email to a FL employee to seek clarification. It may be that my info is outdated. You are saying that when you delete the resource it continues to download again? If the resource is REQUIRED to function, the ability to delete it should be removed. It is possible that you are simply experiencing a bug, or some other quirk. I know, for example, that some people who have downloaded X resources in the past have had troubles with X resources wanting to continue to download after no longer desired. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 11:39 AM

Doug Maze:

 not be appogetic for using the term "Proselytizing".

My impression is that horse left the barn, with Logos4.  I use 3 other commercial Bible software platforms, and don't see that same blase' approach in them (they're considerably more respectful to religious sensitivities).  I'm an advocate of denomination-specific editions (in Logos) even though I don't share denominational beliefs. Which by and large eliminates the forced royalty-free Faithlife stuff.


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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 12:34 PM

Quite possibly what I described a deleting was not. I select the resource, click "remove", the resource "dims" in my library, and I continue with my Scipture study or Bible class prep. When I shut down/restart the App, it is reinstalled. I verified via telephone with FL CS, that the Lexham English Bible is in fact part of s/w architecture for the current mobile App. I posted a suggestion in line with this post on the appropriate FS website, that was "denied" with two hours, after recieving 1 vote (and comments closed). Silence the Heritic. Your comment regarding defaulting to any other Bible translation is exactly my point ! The performance of FL s/w should not be dependant on Any Bible translation. I would like some one from FS to explain how a Bible resource, that I refuse to use (even if it is in my library), impacts the overall performance of the App ? That does not make sence. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 2:21 PM

Kevin - from Faithlife - commented on this at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/75817/530924.aspx#530924 

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 3:32 PM

Thanks for background on this, Graham.  Sorry I did not research the issue enough. If I follow the logic, if I have the ESV set as my "preferred" Bible, why does FL mandate that I keep the LEB in my library ? Could they not advise/warn users that the mobile App will cease to function if they attempt to remove their "preferred" Bible resource, and will remain so until a new "preferred" Bible is dedicated by the user ? My fundamental issue is not that FL s/w requires a "perferred" Bible to function properly, but that the choice of which Bible translation/version should be left up to subcriber/end-user, not FL.

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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:50 PM

alabama24:
If the resource is REQUIRED to function, the ability to delete it should be removed.

We're working to implement this. We do actually remove the LEB when you select that-- but when you launch the app again the app "remembers" that you should have it and then adds it to your library. I know that's confusing, and we'll fix that eventually. 

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 5:26 PM

Why not allow the end-user decide which Bible resource should be their "preferred" Bible, for the FLs/w to function properly ? Why must FL mandate the LEB be present in my library, if I have no use for it ? Seems very draconian.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 6:17 PM

Thankful for FL developers working on fixing confusion from beta Logos mobile app "remembering" LEB download when user has previously removed LEB (and not checked for download in Logos 7.9 library).

Apologies since personally like reading LEB along with my preferred Bible and others. Hence, am Thankful for LEB default for those who have not yet chosen and downloaded their "preferred" Bible. Speculating LEB does not incur a royalty for use in free FL mobile app. Also LEB can be modified/enhanced as desired since does not need approval from another publisher before proceeding with prototype.

Thankful for LEB media option to download Read Aloud files for offline use (not downloaded by default).

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 7:54 PM

Thanks for joining the discussion. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I am glad you find the LEB a useful tool in your Scriptural endeavors.  I respectfully, have a different view.  Not only do I not personally care for the language format of the LEB, there are many other translations/versions for download, and made user's "preferred". That individual choice is were I get chafed.  I am advocating that the subcriber/end-user have control over which Bible resources are in thier library, as long as one is designated "preferred", to comply with the FL s/w requirements.  But for FL to mandate a Bible from Lexham Publishing (either a subsidiary or corporate partner of FL), makes me uncomfortable, to be polite. To offer it is one thing, to force upon subscribers, is quite another.. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 8:27 PM

Doug Maze:
 But for FL to mandate a Bible from Lexham Publishing (either a subsidiary or corporate partner of FL), makes me uncomfortable, to be polite.

I, on the other hand, prefer to have Faithlife tie into their own products rather than products with denominational histories and biases. It allows them to be consistent throughout all their tools as they can make corrections when necessary. Any other translation as the base for the driving reverse interlinear/original text results in inconsistencies -sometimes subtle, sometimes appearing as egragious errors.

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Leo Wee Fah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 11:09 PM

Yes... I am glad to have LEB in

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Doug Maze | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 12:16 AM

That still does not satisfy root question: If I as a subscriber, have installed a Bible resource and it is configured as "preferred" (my choice), what is the need for the LEB ? Second, after reading the Lexham Press web-page (including their "Mission Statement"), I find it hard to believe that the LEB is free from any "denominational histories and biasis", that may be found in other Bible translations. My purpose in starting this thread was not to bash the LEB in any way, shape, or form.  The choice of which Bible translation(s) one uses in their intimate realtionship with God's Holy Word is a deeply personal one.  That is why I keep going back to my main point: If I personally chose not use the LEB (for what ever reason) why does FL mandate I keep in my libtary ? Are they at some point going dictate that the LEB become my "preferred" Bible ? I conceded the point that FL needs some common s/w thread or link among the "community", however, if FL is going to mandate the installation (and use ?) of Lexham Press products, that is starting down a slippery slope. I await clairification on my ?'s before commenting further.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 12:23 AM

MJ. Smith:

Doug Maze:
 But for FL to mandate a Bible from Lexham Publishing (either a subsidiary or corporate partner of FL), makes me uncomfortable, to be polite.

I, on the other hand, prefer to have Faithlife tie into their own products rather than products with denominational histories and biases. It allows them to be consistent throughout all their tools as they can make corrections when necessary. Any other translation as the base for the driving reverse interlinear/original text results in inconsistencies -sometimes subtle, sometimes appearing as egragious errors.

I think MJ has hit the nail on the head here Doug. If an 'english worded' translation has to be used to drive the software connections back to the 'original' texts then it is better that it be a standard text that can be updated as errors are found. It would appear that the app requires this text and even if it were hidden from view it would still be incorporated into the underlying software.

I would have thought that having access to this text, however faulty, would be preferable to having some sort of black box operation that could not be inspected. There is, of course, no need to ever consult the text if you find it offensive but then you might also be wary of the trusting the research tools it drives.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 12:51 AM

Edit: Deleted post as I misread the post I was quoting.

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