Arminian Confession of 1621 curiously tagged as a Reformed confession

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 15 2017 12:02 PM

I noticed when I ran a passage guide on Rom 1:18-32 that "The Arminian Confession of 1621: Translation" appears in the Confessional Documents section under the Reformed category. Pretty sure this is a mistake, correct?

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 15 2017 2:05 PM

Thanks for the report. We'll look into the categorization.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 15 2017 2:08 PM

Depends on whether the term is used theologically (where Arminian is not Reformed) or historically (where Arminius was part of the Reformation). As an Arminian, I am not bothered either way.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 15 2017 5:08 PM

Kiyah:

I noticed when I ran a passage guide on Rom 1:18-32 that "The Arminian Confession of 1621: Translation" appears in the Confessional Documents section under the Reformed category. Pretty sure this is a mistake, correct?

Depends on what they are confessing, they were wrong?

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 15 2017 8:04 PM

Remonstrant Arminianism is often considered as a (dissenting) offshoot of the Reformed tradition. Unless given its own category, it belongs in that grouping more than any other. The Remonstrant Brotherhood in the Netherlands is a member of the World Communion of Reformed Churches.

This is in contrast to, say, Wesleyan Arminianism, which would have to be classified in the English side of the Reformation (again, if not given its own category).

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 27 2017 1:13 PM

After following the discussion here, and some discussion internally, we plan on leaving the classification as-is (Reformed) as that's the tradition it is historically a part of at the point in time of its writing.

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Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 6:34 AM

I agree, Arminianism arose out of the Reformed church, though it has some similarities with other movements in church history. Arminius himself was trained by the best representatives of the Reformed movement at the time. 

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 7:20 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

After following the discussion here, and some discussion internally, we plan on leaving the classification as-is (Reformed) as that's the tradition it is historically a part of at the point in time of its writing.

Thanks, all.

Thanks for looking into this. Makes sense.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 8:18 AM

Floyd Johnson:

Depends on whether the term is used theologically (where Arminian is not Reformed) or historically (where Arminius was part of the Reformation). As an Arminian, I am not bothered either way.

Floyd, are you saying as an Arminian, you can just take your choice?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 9:10 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
After following the discussion here, and some discussion internally, we plan on leaving the classification as-is (Reformed) as that's the tradition it is historically a part of at the point in time of its writing.

Some thoughts here (though I suspect the discussion at FaithLife on this topic may be over):

Interesting logic. Using the same argument Luther's 95 Theses should be classified as Catholic. Right? (Not that they are, but the logic of it follows.)

The Arminian Confession of 1621 is a response to the resounding rejection of the Remonstrants doctrines by the Synod of Dordt (1618-19). As such, Arminian theology (as regards the 5 points of the Remonstrants and their rejection by Dordt) is a branch of the church that may have had its origin in the Reformed branch of the Reformation, but is divided from it, being rejected in 1619 by that Synod.

If the Reformation began in 1517 with the publication of Luther's 95 Theses, it would seem to me (using that same logic) that the Arminian branch of the church began either with the first publication of the 5 Articles of the Remonstrants, or certainly their emphatic rejection by the Synod of Dordt.

Note that I'm not Arminian (I'm Reformed), and perhaps a bit sensitive on this historical point, as I'm sure many of my Arminian brothers are too (though I was predestined to be sensitive, and they merely choose to be Wink ).

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 10:10 AM

Rich DeRuiter:
(though I was predestined to be sensitive, and they merely choose to be Wink )

As an Arminian I love it!!

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 28 2017 3:41 PM

Michael Childs:
Floyd, are you saying as an Arminian, you can just take your choice?

Saying, regardless whether they define it theologically or historically, it does not matter how it is classified by LOGOS. I am Arminian, but I also recognize Arminius as being a theologian arising out of the reformed tradition. 

And as long as you have your faith in Christ, I am not so concern whether you are Reformed or Arminian. I had a very similar discussion earlier with a group of Catholic friends. Whether you tag yourself as Reformed, Armininan, Catholic, or other, I am not concerned so long as your faith is in Jesus Christ. 

On the other hand, perhaps you were making a joke about free will and predestination - in which case I missed it - at least till I almost finished my comment Cool

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 30 2017 8:17 AM

Floyd Johnson:

Michael Childs:
Floyd, are you saying as an Arminian, you can just take your choice?

Saying, regardless whether they define it theologically or historically, it does not matter how it is classified by LOGOS. I am Arminian, but I also recognize Arminius as being a theologian arising out of the reformed tradition. 

And as long as you have your faith in Christ, I am not so concern whether you are Reformed or Arminian. I had a very similar discussion earlier with a group of Catholic friends. Whether you tag yourself as Reformed, Armininan, Catholic, or other, I am not concerned so long as your faith is in Jesus Christ. 

On the other hand, perhaps you were making a joke about free will and predestination - in which case I missed it - at least till I almost finished my comment Cool

I am Arminian as well, and it was a poor joke.  Blessings, brother.

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