Should I have bought the zondervan counterpoints series in paperback format for hundreds of dollars less?

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 6 2017 5:07 PM
Hi, I was wondering if any of you took advantage of the zondervan counterpoints series sale recently and purchase the whole thing including the upgrade? I see that Amazon has the paperback version for hundreds of dollars less. I do know that there is value in resourcing and having it in logos or should I say indexing but I wonder if most of you use this series in written form it on your shelf rather than having it digitally within logos? Yes I did agree to add it to my bronze Baptist collection for additional money but no longer have my student discount and I also missed the zondervan discount. So I am having a little bit of Doubt on whether I should have purchased the titles in paperback format or not. How many of you use this series often or are going through it now in order to better inform yourself on some major Church issues and doctrines?
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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 6 2017 10:12 PM

I asked for a refund and decided to buy them more cheaply in paperback format on Amazon.  used the difference to get the Lohgod Tyndale Commentary upgrade which I did not even know existed til tonight when I stumbled upon it.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 2:25 AM

I own these in paper as well- I started years ago rebuilding my paper library due to cost. Look around you can find books basically brand new for a fraction of the cost. And when I pass away I'll leave to a young pastor or local church, much easier process.

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 7:33 AM

I see Amazon has the paperbacks for $251.

Only drawback to physical books is if quoting into a paper, you have to go old school.  In Logos, you can copy and paste- and it automatically cites it for you.  But depending on your uses and needs, it is nice having a physical book to hold and loan (if you trust the person to return :-) )

Thanks for pointing out Amazon's deal.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 9:17 AM

Buy them in Vyrso while they're in there!

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 1:18 PM

Jan Krohn:

Buy them in Vyrso while they're in there!

How do I get to Vyrso to see...?

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 1:36 PM

Michael S.:

How do I get to Vyrso to see...?

Here you are:

https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=counterpoints+

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 2:16 PM

scooter:

Thanks, but they are not listed.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 2:20 PM

There's currently only one volume in Vyrso ("Four Views on Hell"). There used to be more. They were pulled from Vyrso when made available for Logos, and the Logos version given free to owners of the Vyrso edition.

I made the mistake and only grabbed a few of them...

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 6:56 PM

I personally have been in a long process of trying to own as few dead-tree physical books as possible. For counterpoint books in particular I find Logos to be much more useful. For counterpoints I'm able to open the book in two separate windows so I can follow along two parts fo the book (see what an author is responding to, etc). Also, these books are particularly helpful to search and reference. This makes them much more valuable to me when they are in my library rather than on the shelf for three reason: 1) Easier to search and find exactly what I'm looking for, 2) Higher chance I will have them available as I am often doing research or reading away from my office, 3) easier to work into my notetaking scheme through copy-paste, notetaking, highlights, and clippings. Finally, when authors are alluding to or referencing Bible verses, I really appreciate the effeciency of being able to hover over it and see the full text so I can actually see if they are accurately representing the Biblical text. 

So for me, I am willing to pay a premium for books in Logos.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 7 2017 7:08 PM

I'd rather own the Logos, WORDsearch or Accordance edition of a book.  The few times I moved, I really disliked the heavy boxes of books I had to move; hence, I donated most of my books to a church.  Now digital is a must unless is something I really need and there's not ebook edition of it.  I'd rather have a PDF too, instead of a dead tree version.  Of course, that's just my preference.

The ability to change highlights or even erase them, along with the search capabilities is great.  Not to mention digital books last longer.

DAL

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Jeff Griffith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 8 2017 12:47 AM

It's easier to leave someone books in Logos, assuming that someone has Logos. I've checked into it twice. I've also transferred titles to someone several times. It's scary easy, by which I mean that if someone gets your personal data, they can take your entire library.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 8 2017 4:37 AM

As you get older and the money is not there- and it will happen- saving every dime you can will become premium- just saying.

I do not dislike Logos- I'm very practical so my decisions are based on that- my library is in excess of 15k books- and have used Logos since early 90's. I have 3 other programs with editions Logos does not or work better in them. I still have a substantial paper library 2-3k books- some which will never be in any of the software offerings.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 8 2017 5:01 AM

Jeff Griffith:
It's scary easy, by which I mean that if someone gets your personal data, they can take your entire library.

I'm not sure why you came to that conclusion. Faithlife controls the process so how would someone get your personal data?

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 9 2017 7:22 AM

Of course, that is a personal decision.  For me, it is very important to have as many of my commentaries and lexicons in Logos format, even if I have to pay a few dollars more.  

But on nearly everything else, not so much.  I go with the cheapest price, including the counterpoints series. 

Actually, I am not interested in every counterpoint book.  Some interest me very much.  Others, I already know all I need about all positions on the issue.  So I picked out the ones I wanted.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 10 2017 10:03 AM

All they need is your login details and they can access your account any time, download and install Logos on any computer or evrn just access your library via the webapp. And if they get their hands on your login details they potentially have access to your documents including prayer lists.

FL does not need to authorise anything.

Bruce Dunning:

Jeff Griffith:
It's scary easy, by which I mean that if someone gets your personal data, they can take your entire library.

I'm not sure why you came to that conclusion. Faithlife controls the process so how would someone get your personal data?

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 10 2017 2:39 PM

Sorry D.O.C What are you going to lose IF that happened??

The only one who could lose would be Logos not you. As soon as you realise that it had happened, either change your password and they have no further access or if they have locked you out ring up Logos and after verifying it is you they would change your password for you and again lock them out.  OK they could still use Logos while they did not try to go online but that makes not the slightest difference to you.

Why is it scary? What is the problem?  I just do not get it.  If you stored personal details in logos somehow I could understand that but .... 


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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 10 2017 8:59 PM

Jacob Hantla:

For counterpoints I'm able to open the book in two separate windows so I can follow along two parts fo the book (see what an author is responding to, etc).

Jacob, what a neat idea! Thanks for sharing this tip.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 10 2017 10:46 PM

John where did I say anything about loosing anything? Where did I say it was scary? 

I was simply responding to how easy it would be for someone to access your all account if they really wanted to do so.  once they had access they have access to anything personal or confidential you might of put in a prayer list or other document - Personally i don't use prayer lists nor put anything in notes or other user created documents but some people might.

JohnB:

Sorry D.O.C What are you going to lose IF that happened??

The only one who could lose would be Logos not you. As soon as you realise that it had happened, either change your password and they have no further access or if they have locked you out ring up Logos and after verifying it is you they would change your password for you and again lock them out.  OK they could still use Logos while they did not try to go online but that makes not the slightest difference to you.

Why is it scary? What is the problem?  I just do not get it.  If you stored personal details in logos somehow I could understand that but .... 


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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 11 2017 10:10 AM

DAL:

I'd rather own the Logos, WORDsearch or Accordance edition of a book.  The few times I moved, I really disliked the heavy boxes of books I had to move; hence, I donated most of my books to a church.  Now digital is a must unless is something I really need and there's not ebook edition of it.  I'd rather have a PDF too, instead of a dead tree version.  Of course, that's just my preference.

The ability to change highlights or even erase them, along with the search capabilities is great.  Not to mention digital books last longer.

DAL

Yes. Moving to a new house really is a bid deal... and then trying to find the space again for all those books. Tim Challies mentioned this several years ago as one of his motivations for going digital. At the time I didn't think it was a very big deal. But having just moved two months ago I think I'd have to agree, as boxes of books are still laying around the house waiting for me to find new bookshelves etc...

I've actually started making a list of my physical books then checking to see if they are available as ebooks. There have been several that were and I just bought the ebook and either threw the physical one away or gave it to a church. In some cases I was able to get the Kindle Matchbook deal, which let me purchase the ebook for like $3, plus an audio version of the book that syncs with it for $7.

I think the scale has tipped in favor of digital books having a lot more advantages than physical books.

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