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Matthew | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 11 2018 4:05 AM

I would like to run a search to find all the places in the New Testament where the Father, Son, or Spirit is the subject of any verb derived from the root οικος. I know how to search for a root, but I do not know how to automatically limit the results to only include verbs derived from that root. Here is what I have so far. Suggestions for improvement welcome!

(subject:<Person God>,subject:<Person Jesus>,subject:<Person Holy Spirit>)  <Root = lbs/el/οικος>

EDIT: Bonus points if anyone can provide me with a search that would also include verses such as 1 John 3:24 that are relevant to a study of indwelling but use a different verb altogether. I am guessing such a search would somehow involve the  Bible Sense Lexicon's database?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 11 2018 8:07 AM

 To search for any verb derived from a root is fairly straightforward in a Basic or Bible search:

<Root = lbs/el/οικος> INTERSECTS <LogosMorphGr ~ V??????>

But that's not actually what you want. You want to specify a subject, and for that, you need a clause search. To combine that with a root, it's:

(subject:God OR subject:Jesus OR subject:Holy Spirit) verb-root:οικος

As to 1 John 3:24, I'd be inclined to use LouwNida numbers, rather than the BSL. The Louw-Nida numbers between 85.55 and 85.64 and 85.67-85.85 seem to be the ones you're interested in, although you'd probably want to cut that list down a little, perhaps to only go as far as 85.78. To search for those, in Bible search it would be:

<LouwNida ~ LN 85.55-85.64>, <LouwNida ~ LN 85.67-85.78>

Unfortunately, although you can specify LN numbers in a clause search, you can only specify individual numbers at a time, like this:

(subject:God OR subject:Jesus OR subject:Holy Spirit) (verb-ln:85.55 OR verb-ln:85.56 OR verb-ln:85.57 OR verb-ln:85.58)

You'd have to expand that by adding in the additional LN numbers you wanted.

If you preferred to use the BSL, it looks like you're looking for two different meanings (dwell, e.g. Eph 3:17, and continue, e.g. 1 John 3:24). You might want to peruse the BSL to find additional senses. Or, which is probably better, look at verses you're expecting to be returned, and found out what sense is being used. You'll end up with something like this:

(subject:God OR subject:Jesus OR subject:Holy Spirit) (verb-sense:to continue OR verb-sense:to dwell)

Putting together searches like this can be a bit of trial and error. The key thing is to work from the known to the unknown. In other words, look at a verse you're expecting to be in your search, then create a search that finds that verse and a few more. Then add criteria that will also find another verse you're also looking for, but which didn't appear. Keep going until you're satisfied.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 11 2018 2:52 PM

Matthew:
Bonus points if anyone can provide me with a search that would also include verses such as 1 John 3:24 that are relevant to a study of indwelling but use a different verb altogether.

Cultural concepts search:

{Section <Culture Indwelling spirit>}

includes 1 John 3:24

Noticed Ephesians 3:16 was found in cultural search while Ephesians 3:17 was not. Both are found in Preaching Theme search:

{Section <PreachingTheme = Union With Christ>}

Mark Barnes:

You want to specify a subject, and for that, you need a clause search. To combine that with a root, it's:

(subject:God OR subject:Jesus OR subject:Holy Spirit) verb-root:οικος

Changed verb-root:οικος to verb-sense that included all verb-root:οικος results plus some more for: to build and to settle in

(subject:God OR subject:Jesus OR subject:Holy Spirit) AND (verb-sense:to build OR verb-sense:to cause to dwell (location) OR verb-sense:to dwell OR verb-sense:to dwell (abstract) OR verb-sense:to exile OR verb-sense:to settle in OR verb-sense:to sojourn)

Keep Smiling Smile

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 18 2018 4:16 AM

My sincerest apologies that it took me a full week to respond. Mark and Keep Smiling, you have provided exactly what I needed. Thank you for taking the time not only to offer advice on searching Logos, but also providing the helpful screenshots. I have sifted through the results of all the searches you recommended, and I will definitely be saving a few notes to help improve my own searches in the future. Thanks again! Smile

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