Its seems to me, and maybe others, that there would be merit in being able to disable syncing of personal content back to Logos.
A new option, in like style of "Automatic Updates = OFF", but something like "Sync to Logos = OFF" would be nice.
This would address traffic limits or costs concerns, and address some aspects of privacy or security concerns.
If a user elects to have "Use Internet = OFF", but uses any of:"Update Now"- "Update Resources"- "Sync Now"then the Application could perform that function, and only by direct command of the user.
Thankyou.
Perhaps it would help to know that currently:-
Mark Barnes:I have tested Logos with Internet=OFF, and confirm that with this setting: Manually running the command "Update Now" does connect to the internet. Manually running the command "Sync Now" does connect to the internet. Going to the home page or changing your preferred Bible does not connect to the internet. I've been running Logos for quite a while with the internet setting turned off, and monitoring what it does. Apart from me issuing those manual commands, it did not attempt to connect to the internet at all. I see this as perfectly acceptable - indeed, it is good that I can switch the internet connection off then manually over-ride the setting as a one-off with a command.
I've been running Logos for quite a while with the internet setting turned off, and monitoring what it does. Apart from me issuing those manual commands, it did not attempt to connect to the internet at all. I see this as perfectly acceptable - indeed, it is good that I can switch the internet connection off then manually over-ride the setting as a one-off with a command.
Dave===
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Thanks Dave and Mark.
I have been trying hard not to just keep posting, until I am every 2nd post in a thread. So, in some cases, I have said nothing, and not thanking people for helpful comments as I already think I've said too much.
More impact if the comments are kept to one simple clear idea, and then left for others to review/reflect on for a while.
Jim, I think it is a great suggestion. I, too, would like to have more control over it. In another of your threads, Jacob Hantla mentioned its importance for missionaries in closed countries and that is what really drove it home for me. Of course in a situation like that, even the login would possibly be problematic.
Perhaps you can start a thread in the suggestion area. I've seen quite a few posts from you about this as you've been gathering information, and that way it won't get lost.
The wiki used to list on the Command page "Set Sync to Yes|No" It didn't work so I deleted it to prevent confusion. Its presence on the list suggests that once Logos had the ability (does any of the secret Beta participants remember?) or planned to implement it and didn't. For whatever reason they didn't give us the option. Why? I don't know.
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Use Internet is ambiguous and confusing - it has has been the subject of much debate. It needs to be replaced with independent settings:-
Sync Data = Yes/No ==> affects synchronisation of documents, preferences and metadata.
Automatically Download Updates = Yes/No ==> affects downloads of software and resources (no change in function)
The command "Sync Now" can override Sync Data at the user's discretion.The commands "Update Now" and "Update Resources" should be consistent with the Automatically Download Updates setting ie. provide the option to download or not as necessary (it is OK if they always prompt to download).
During the private beta there was the option of switching syncing off while they ironed out some kinks related to the syncing and timezones or something; but it was taken out once all those problems were resolved...
Dave Hooton:I have tested Logos with Internet=OFF, and confirm that with this setting:
Dave Hooton: Manually running the command "Update Now" does connect to the internet. Manually running the command "Sync Now" does connect to the internet. Going to the home page or changing your preferred Bible does not connect to the internet.
I didn't scientifically test this...but I turned Internet=OFF, and ran the synch and update manual commands several times over a couple weeks, but I was not seeing the features that my co-laborers were talking about in recent updates. After a couple weeks I turned it back on, and lo and behold Logos4 d/l some new updates and installed them on my next session. So I am not confident those work seamlessly, but like I said, I am not 100% positive...
Jim Towler:Its seems to me, and maybe others, that there would be merit in being able to disable syncing of personal content back to Logos.
A bit drastic, but on my laptop I can turn the WLAN off with a switch. I have not found a way to do this on a desktop - either with a hardware or software switch.
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Floyd Johnson: I have not found a way to do this on a desktop - either with a hardware or software switch.
I have not found a way to do this on a desktop - either with a hardware or software switch.
Unplug the modem cable.
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Rosie Perera:Unplug the modem cable.
Hey, that's my trick!
There are also various software ways of disabling your network connection via the Control Panel if your cable is hard to reach. Either select the Local Area Connection in your Network Connections and click "Disable this network device" or right-click on the former and choose Disable from the context menu.
This Control Panel app is kind of hard to find. In Vista, you can get to it from the Network and Sharing Center by clicking on Manage network connections:
And if you're not in Classic View and can't find Network and Sharing Center, you can get to it by clicking on View network status and tasks in Control Panel home. Man, Microsoft sure doesn't make this easy with all their confusing inconsistent terminology!
If you're using XP or Windows 7, sorry I can't help you, but explore around and I'm sure you'll eventually stumble on it.
Dave Hooton: Use Internet is ambiguous and confusing - it has has been the subject of much debate. It needs to be replaced with independent settings:- Sync Data = Yes/No ==> affects synchronisation of documents, preferences and metadata. Automatically Download Updates = Yes/No ==> affects downloads of software and resources (no change in function) The command "Sync Now" can override Sync Data at the user's discretion.The commands "Update Now" and "Update Resources" should be consistent with the Automatically Download Updates setting ie. provide the option to download or not as necessary (it is OK if they always prompt to download).
YES - its that simple.
Rosie,
Regarding what I wish here, its not that simple.
I DO WANT updates, Homepage News and new resources from time to time. Thats all good, and there are already controls that allow me to turn them on an off at will.
What I cant do within the program, is the ability to NEVER sync my personal files, notes etc upstream to Logos.
See next post.
Using Fiddler (I forget who to thank for the tip about this tool - sorry), I have watched the traffic for a while:
Starting up Logos4, talks to services.logos.com and clientservices.logos.com using HTTPS ==> encrypted traffic relating to my login and private settings etc I assume.
After a short delay, it then talks to sync.logos.com using HTTPS. It also talks to only here after a "Sync Now" command.
So, I AM GOING TO PLACE A BLOCK ON sync.logos.com and hope all other aspects of the program will continue to operate correctly. I DO NOT want it to sync!
The Homepage talks to www.logos.com, feeds.feedburner.com (NOT a Logos site), and blog.logos.com using plain HTTP.
I got to say, it kind of breaks my heart that I feel I need to do this.
OK - I think its working.
Adding the line "127.0.0.1 sync.logos.com" to my <windows directory>/drivers/etc/hosts file disables syncing with Logos4, as it fails to be able to find the Logos servers. Its not a block, rather a mis-direct, so the sync fails. I got a yellow "sync failed" error at the top now, and I love it!!!
The Home Page still works fine, and I hope updates, downloads and new resource will be fine, and are controlable with the traffic controls already in Logos4.
NOTE: I dont expect this "fix" will be supported by Logos, but for me, I like being in control of my data. I deleted most everything and synced before I added the block.
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Cool discovery, Jim. Thanks for doing the legwork to figure that out. I'm guessing some other Logos users will want to try this, even though I'm sure Logos would not encourage it. It might be worth putting a link to this thread on the "Tips from the Forum" page on the wiki, though. Would you be up for doing that? Then people can find it again if other users ask about this in the future. As an MVP I'm not sure I should be actively promoting this hack, though. So I'll leave it up to you to make the wiki edit if you want to. Also, I would put a strong disclaimer in that anyone using this trick is responsible for doing your own backups of your all your files in the Documents folder, as these will no longer be backed up on Logos's servers if you disable syncing. That will include all your collections, layouts, bookmarks, favorites, notes, clippings, highlights, handouts, reading plans, passage lists, tags, visual filters, etc.
The most important question I would have about Jim's hack is do license files come down from sync.logos.com. If they do then getting any new purchases would be problematic for this hack. (Jim, there are some free resources that you may not have such as The Scripture Alphabet of Animals or The Love Affairs Of A Bibliomaniac - Eugene Field that you could "buy" to see if new purchases can be discovered by Logos when the sync.logos.com is blocked)
Kevin Becker:The most important question I would have about Jim's hack is do license files come down from sync.logos.com. If they do then getting any new purchases would be problematic for this hack. (Jim, there are some free resources that you may not have such as The Scripture Alphabet of Animals or The Love Affairs Of A Bibliomaniac - Eugene Field that you could "buy" to see if new purchases can be discovered by Logos when the sync.logos.com is blocked)
Kevin,
YES - Important to know if that aspect still works. I just looked up those two named titles, are they are not now free. Instead, I remembered a free Finnish Bible which I can't read or need, so I "purchased" that instead.
Well, after an "Update Now", it showed up as a new download, while still having my sync error at the same time.
Seems license files and related info about me comes from services and clientservices named sites, NOT sync.logos.com.
The actual file for the bible is comming from yet another site, so for now, it seems sync.logos.com is ONLY for sync data. The very thing I want to be able to turn off.
As Rosie points out, no backups, no syncing, no bets, and not supported, but until there is the option to do it from the program, I see no other way to get what I want in this regard. I'm still unsure I really want to always operate the application this way, but I want the option.
Download is 71% as I type this. I have no doubt my new "purchase" and its related license will work just fine with my sync-block in place.
(P.S. I just got back from the Microsoft release presentation for Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 and Microsoft Azsure, which is a Cloud Computing and Storage set of products and services. The guy talked about NOT storing sensitive data in the cloud, and how some countries have laws about storing some kinds of data off-site, or out of the country etc. The very points from earlier in the other thread this all relates too. I.E. He has had people from all around the world express grave concerns about where their data is, who has it, and how one can be sure its safe.)