Faithlife! Is Logos Now Really going to be discontinued?

On this thread...https://community.logos.com/forums/t/156685.aspx it seems as if Logos Now is going to stop being offered?

If it is true...what does this mean for people who are already subscribed? What about those who bought multiple years at a discounted price? What happens to the people who were going to rent features instead of buying them since they had a significant library size or would rather just pay for books?

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Mattillo

I'd also be curious if it is cancelled, why we weren't told ahead of time. This seems the most strange to me.

I hope this isn't like the Exalting Jesus thing... too many complaints so cancel it

Chris duMond (Faithlife)

Keith, thanks for the questions. We have an exciting announcement coming very soon—we're still getting a few things finalized. Stay tuned for details and we'll answer your questions. We'll be sending emails to customers soon and posting in the forums.

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956703#Comment_956703

Keith, thanks for the questions. We have an exciting announcement coming very soon—we're still getting a few things finalized. Stay tuned for details and we'll answer your questions. We'll be sending emails to customers soon and posting in the forums.

Thanks for the response Chris

Chris duMond (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956704#Comment_956704

Thanks for the response Chris

You bet!

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956704#Comment_956704

I was reading the FaithlifeConnect info 20 minutes ago, but when I went back 5 minutes ago, it was gone.

I had gone to Now at the bottom of a page to find the above by being redirected.

Andrew116

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956707#Comment_956707

The exciting announcement is that it will cost twice as much

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956701#Comment_956701

I'd also be curious if it is cancelled, why we weren't told ahead of time.

I'm sure that legally they cannot cancel existing contracts although they may not renew them. We'll have to see what the announcement actually is.

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956715#Comment_956715

I'm sure that legally they cannot cancel existing contracts although they may not renew them. We'll have to see what the announcement actually is.

Thanks for the reply, that makes sense

Dave Colclough

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956718#Comment_956718

I wonder if Faithlife Connect is something to do with it? https://connect.faithlife.com/

Josh Jacobs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956701#Comment_956701

If you read the forums, there are a lot of complaints... many of them unfounded. This subscription is one of the best financial decisions I've ever made.

So if it is because of complaints, everyone who has complained is at fault.

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956727#Comment_956727

This subscription is one of the best financial decisions I've ever made.

Now, U will have 3 levels to choose from in the bumpf I saw before it was removed.

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956727#Comment_956727

If you read the forums, there are a lot of complaints... many of them unfounded. This subscription is one of the best financial decisions I've ever made.

So if it is because of complaints, everyone who has complained is at fault.

I am not sure if that could be it, but maybe you are right. Or maybe not enough revenue was coming in? It is all speculation at this point.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956709#Comment_956709

The exciting announcement is that it will cost twice as much

The sticker shock... $240/yr to rent the full feature set (which presently costs $499). After a year, it would be cheaper to have bought and owned it, rather than continuing to rent it.

People have been asking whether a $99 subscription was worth it! How can a $240 subscription be justified in most of our minds?

FL will say that we get lots of other things bundled in that $240, but I don't want to also pay for book, course, and TV rentals. I would feel ripped off being charged for things I don't want.

At this point, I'm going to let my LN lapse, rather than paying $20/month (annually). I'll lose a few online-only features such as lemma in passage, but they're not worth the cost.

I'll wait for the official announcement, but don't see how this is anything more than an attempt to generate more revenue for LN which used to be fairly priced at $99, but has been losing its value over time.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956731#Comment_956731

[Now, U will have 3 levels to choose from in the bumpf I saw before it was removed.

There were a lot more than 3. The page had arrows where you could scroll left/right to see cheaper/more expensive pricing options.

It appears to be a rebranded Logos Cloud, where you rent books, features, TV, courses, and more on a monthly or annual basis.

Chris duMond (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956748#Comment_956748

Please see this announcement regarding Faithlife Connect.

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956745#Comment_956745

The exciting announcement is that it will cost twice as much

The sticker shock... $240/yr to rent the full feature set (which presently costs $499). After a year, it would be cheaper to have bought and owned it, rather than continuing to rent it.

People have been asking whether a $99 subscription was worth it! How can a $240 subscription be justified in most of our minds?

FL will say that we get lots of other things bundled in that $240, but I don't want to also pay for book, course, and TV rentals. I would feel ripped off being charged for things I don't want.

At this point, I'm going to let my LN lapse, rather than paying $20/month (annually). I'll lose a few online-only features such as lemma in passage, but they're not worth the cost.

I'll wait for the official announcement, but don't see how this is anything more than an attempt to generate more revenue for LN which used to be fairly priced at $99, but has been losing its value over time.

Yeah $240 is way too much. Features are cheaper to buy at this point it seems.

Jeffrey S. Robison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956761#Comment_956761

I guess I am still in shock to learn that, unless I read it wrong, what I currently have will begin costing twice as much. Or it could be that a large lighting fixture fell from my kitchen ceiling hit me in the head and I am hallucinating. I sure hope the Logos 8 announcement is coming soon so I can decide which will be cheaper for feature set. Sure looks like a price doubling for the same thing. I imagine that FL has something up their sleeve on this one... I am waiting on the WOW! But, with no "WOW," it may be time for reconsideration.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956761#Comment_956761

Here's the thrilling notice I got from Logos (or Faithlife).

"Faithlife Connect Starter includes access to many Logos features whereas Logos Now included access to all Logos features. If you’d like to maintain all Logos features, you can upgrade to Faithlife Connect Essentials ($199.99/yr) on or before Nov 12, 2018 or your renewal date, whichever is later" (End quote)

So I'm shocked but again, I'm not. Why did I figure there was going to be a slick way for these guys to up the price?

Now we're being told for a whopping 10.00 savings (89.00 per year) we now get the so called "many Logos features" and for an increase from 127.00 Canadian, all we have to pay now is 254.00 Canadian (and that's at today's dollar value). Can this seriously be happening? :-D

I've just bought into Logos Now for the second time around. One does wonder if one happened to buy Logos 8, how much will that one be paying for that? Will one have to take out a mortgage on one's house (or someone else's house).

For 250.00 plus, that represents to much MacDonald's coffee for me. I'll barrel out of this so fast, they'll probably not even be aware I was in. I've got to say, this is disgusting!!!

And let's face it, they'll put the price up so far on this upcoming Logos 8 or charge us a horrendous fee to catch up from Logos 6 to Logs 8, it will probably be the cut off point period.Unbelievable!!!

Tell me I've made a serious error in understanding what is actually too obvious! Jeff, maybe that lightbulb that cracked you on the head also hit me & it's lights out for the both of us. :-)

Roger Feenstra

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956889#Comment_956889

Whenever Faithlife/Logos or whoever announces a big change, it creates a frenzy of criticism. In the past, I have taken the side of capitalism and gone along with the change. Yet, this one has a different feel. In order to get what I now have (and some other stuff thrown in that I don't care about..), it would cost me $199 per year. To soften the blow, they dropped the price for Faithlife Starter by $10, down to $89, until after November. Then my cost doubles for what I have now, et al.

I decided to simply cancel it all and use what I have in my Logos package without all the bells and whistles. I am really tired of buying stuff and then having to pay more and more. It is capitalism and I don't begrudge them for trying to stay profitable, I just don't think I'll be a part of it this time.

By the way. I changed my email address and my post count reset to "1". Nice.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956898#Comment_956898

I changed my email address and my post count reset to "1".

Yes, call customer service and they will fix it. While I suspect that a number of people will chose to cancel, I'd advise people to wait a month or two to see how things shake out. You notice that Verbum Now has not been mentioned in the Connect conversion.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956926#Comment_956926

You know, I decided to inflict more pain upon myself and read the "Note of Horror" one ...more ... time. AND it seems to be just getting a whole lot better. But I have to ask, just to keep this tide of joy afloat. Is it it true, oh can it be, instead of getting a group of books each month to use, now it's going to be a "month-long access to one free resource every month." A whole one book (probably abridged) and a whole month to consider that book. Ma! How kind of these folks. All heart though, aren't they! Maybe I'm having a delightful nightmare or maybe, just maybe one of my remaining brain cells has slammed into the bug light and I've shorted out or this is just one of those practical jokes that Faithlife is always doing to us.

AND get a load of this one. Oh yes said I, I'll just switch over & buy Logos 8. And now I see we get a whole 200.00 savings on that! My, how kind. Why did my heart just skip a couple beats and I saw this bright white light? Never mind though, I was just staring directly into the light bulb. Knowing how Logos works, (ohhh, many pardons, I mean Faithlife Connect) then if I'm going to save 200.00, just how many hundreds of dollars is that going to cost, especially for those of us who have to catch up from Logos 6.to the all new Logos 8? Oh great joy in the morning for all of us Logos Now subscribers.I'll have to see a councilor.

Excuse me while I climb upon the window ledge of my basement and consider hurling myself out one foot below.

The End

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956966#Comment_956966

I hope they reconsider

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956969#Comment_956969

Keith, I think the chances of Logos, well there I go again, I mean Faithlife Connect reconsidering is coming in at a close zero. I do have an idea though, if enough people cancel out and I mean seriously cancel out on this Logos Now thingy, some of the folks who started the ball rolling, might find themselves saying to their own councilors, "have we pushed this too far" or maybe they actually will reconsider and spitefully keep these nice prices just where they are with of course, more price increases coming down the pipes in the not too distant future. Don't rule that out either.

Remember when we were being told there would be no price increase? The folks in charge are real pranksters though, aren't they. I'm going back to bed and hoping in the morning, should I awake, I'll find this was another one of those practical jokes that Logos is playing on us! :-)

Once again ... The End.

Sean

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956974#Comment_956974

Keith, I think the chances of Logos, well there I go again, I mean Faithlife Connect reconsidering is coming in at a close zero. I do have an idea though, if enough people cancel out and I mean seriously cancel out on this Logos now thingy, some of the folks who started this ball rolling, might find themselves saying to their own councilors, "have we pushed this too far" or maybe they actually will reconsider and spitefully keep these nice prices just where they are.

Remember when we were being told there would be no price increase? The folks in charge are real pranksters though, aren't they. I'm going back to bed and hoping in the morning, should I awake, I'll find this was another one of those practical jokes that Logos is playing on us! :-)

They won't roll it back. What they may well do is tweak it half a dozen times in response to complaints and low renewal rates. Under pressure they may offer some additional freebies or credits, but they won't lower the actual subscription price.

In some ways this shouldn't have been a complete surprise. Logos Now has been languishing since L7 rolled out, and they do seem to have been pushing feature sets harder than one would think advisable under a viable subscription model. Most likely Now simply wasn't generating enough revenue; I can't think of any other justifiable reason for such an insane (140%!) price hike.

The coupon they've given in the mail does take some of the sting out of it, but my trust for the company has fallen through the floor. I'll use the coupon for a feature set then let the subscription lapse. I don't know how that $0 from me will help them more than the $100/year which I was happily paying for Now.

Rene Atchley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956978#Comment_956978

I occasionally meander through some of these threads for the ever evolving drama that is as FaithLife Turns. For me the only question remains about the changing, but obscure, product line from FL is why keep pumping money into this beast?

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956978#Comment_956978

In some ways this shouldn't have been a complete surprise. Logos Now has been languishing since L7 rolled out, and they do seem to have been pushing feature sets harder than one would think advisable under a viable subscription model. Most likely Now simply wasn't generating enough revenue; I can't think of any other justifiable reason for such an insane (140%!) price hike.

This was my observation. The Logos Now model was ok for the faithful hardcore users, but I was wondering if it was about to be changed.

The whole subscription model is not a complete surprise. Bob has been saying we are headed this way for years and there have been incremental shifts into this direction. My kids don't buy music any more, we rarely buy DVDs, etc. Logos Now was transitionary in my opinion.

The challenge is that the price point of Faithlife Connect Starter does not initially have parity with the components that attracted me to Now at the $100 or so a year. Faithlife Connect Essentials does, but it is more than twice the price and includes stuff that I don't use.

The move is to get people into the whole ecosystem and convert them to a subscription model. Makes sense. You can only sell so many public domain books to pay for developing the software. Those of us who were primarily attracted to Logos 2.x will probably struggle the most.

The growing concern I see is that Logos Bible software could become more and more bloated in the name of being powerful. Kind of like Microsoft Word. How many people would be able to happily use Office 2000 for the most part? Only really hard core users do I know really leverage the current version of Word. Anyhow, this is another topic and bravo to Logos they are developing other products, rather than trying to load up Logos with more stuff. (The problem is Logos is still buggy after all these years - I stopped submitting bug reports ages ago)

But I agree, this should not be a surprise and I think the horse is out of the barn. I just need to now figure out how to get bang for buck for what I was getting in light of this new reality. Change comes... we will adapt!

Thinking

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956727#Comment_956727

everyone who has complained is at fault

Yes, blame the customer.

Thinking

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956709#Comment_956709

The exciting announcement is that it will cost twice as much

Don't forget it also has half the discount. What a deal!

Rick Abshier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956898#Comment_956898

I recently signed up for Logos Now and today saw the email that I have to pay double to keep what I originally signed up for recently. I signed up for a year of a certain service and, if I'm understanding this correctly, I have to pay again. That doesn't seem right. I should at least keep the level of service that was promised for the next year.

Robert M. Warren

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956978#Comment_956978

they do seem to have been pushing feature sets harder than one would think advisable under a viable subscription model.

That's an interesting observation. In Dec (I think) when they had really good deals on the feature set/library enhancements, I loaded up and didn't renew Logos Now in January. As a garden-variety church member (i.e., no church office, not in a seminary), I think I've reached Logos saturation and I didn't want any more recurring charges. I'll see how my inner-nerd feels about all this when we see how Logos 8 (surely just around the corner) fits in..

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957005#Comment_957005

Glad i bought the full feature set- since I own them they will not disappear when I drop my subscription- check Logos Resale's on Facebook my post.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957008#Comment_957008

Glad i bought the full feature set- since I own them they will not disappear when I drop my subscription- check Logos Resale's on Facebook my post.

Don't leave whyndell! Logos will still be logos... Hopefully. I do agree with the ownership model though. It is the way I have always operated too. I will probably not keep this new system but I'll give it time and see how it shakes out

Sean

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957003#Comment_957003

I recently signed up for Logos Now and today saw the email that I have to pay double to keep what I originally signed up for recently. I signed up for a year of a certain service and, if I'm understanding this correctly, I have to pay again. That doesn't seem right. I should at least keep the level of service that was promised for the next year.

You will keep the service that you purchased for the duration of your subscription or Nov. 18 (I think), whichever is longer. The change is that, if you wish to renew it, the price has been increased by 140%.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957020#Comment_957020

Anyone care to take a wild (or tame) guess as to what the cost will be if one such as myself were to drop this LN subscription (and I definitely am) and buy Logos 8? I was at Logos 6 before I made the weird mistake of buying into the LN. All guesses have to be posted with compassion. :-)

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956926#Comment_956926

While I suspect that a number of people will chose to cancel, I'd advise people to wait a month or two to see how things shake out.

I agree with this advice. I am taken by surprise at this change. It seems to me it will be similar to the change that came when Libronix (L3) was scrapped for L4. That roll out was a disaster. I hope this one is not, but I think it has gotten off to a poor start. So much that is not understood about this new roll out. I suspect we need to wait for L8 to come out to know the new layout of the land.

I purchased the L7 features though I did not have to when Logos Now first came out. Seemed redundant and a waste of money. Turns out that it was not foolish to do.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957021#Comment_957021

Anyone care to take a wild (or tame) guess as to what the cost will be if one such as myself were to drop this LN subscription (and I definitely am) and buy Logos 8? I was at Logos 6 before I made the weird mistake of buying into the LN. All guesses have to be posted with compassion. :-)

Already know any bundles in L8 will be cost prohibitive for me- if there is a minimal upgrade such as L8 engine only I may do that- if it cost hopefully the $100 coupon will cover it, if not will not upgrade.

Looking to migrate to another bible program if I can sell L7- if not my buying days are over.

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957032#Comment_957032

Say what you will, but these guys are shooting themselves into the feet and aiming for our hands in the mayhem. And for those who should go into the 199.99 program, would any feel this is the cap? And of course it will not. There'll be other excuses brought up to warp drive into higher prices again. This stuff never stops.

I'm not just going to barrel out today, rather I'm going to barrel out come the end of the year. :-)

Still haven't got a guess as to what the cost will be as to buying Logos 8, moving it up from Logos 6. And the 200.00 coupon wouldn't go for that, would it? And again, if so, what kind of a horrific price would there be on that? :-)

Rodney Prickett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957032#Comment_957032

I have been careful to not complain about cost (no one makes me buy anything) or change (I have spent too many years as a pastor listening to folks complain about change), but it is getting harder and harder for me to keep up (and I am ONLY 49, so its not an old age thing).

In recent days, weeks, months, and years, we've had Logos 6, Logos 7, Logos Now, Faithlife Connect. We've added TV, and classes. We've got the forum, and we've got Faithlife.com. We had Vyrso, now we have Faithlife eBooks ( I think I have that right). We have a new name and new color for Proclaim.... Faithlife Proclaim.

I want to keep up, but I can't. I don't have the time. or energy. or money.

Sean

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957034#Comment_957034

Still haven't got a guess as to what the cost will be as to buying Logos 8, moving it up from Logos 6. And the 200.00 coupon wouldn't go for that, would it? And again, if so, what kind of a horrific price would there be on that? :-)

No one can really say not knowing (1) how much L8 will cost (hint: it will be a lot) and (2) what you already own.

That said, right now I can get the L7 Full Feature Set for about $170. Extended is closer to $300 but I can live without its extras. The only thing that can be sure is that also acquiring the extra L8 features will cost more than that--I'd estimate a minimum of a $100 more. But that's just my rough, uneducated guess as I have only been paying attention to world of Feature Sets for about the (*checks watch*) last 8 hours.

That of course is just for features. Any L8 book packages would be extra.

Your $200 coupon should be able to go to either of those.

I plan on eventually using my coupon for the L7 Full Feature Set in some configuration (probably Logos Essentials) and find contentment in that. Then I will disengage from all the FaithLife sales, emails, and community.logos.com only making additional purchases to meet specific project needs.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957034#Comment_957034

And the 200.00 coupon wouldn't go for that, would it?

Yes it will. It can be used on L7 or L8 (a library, feature set, or base package), or on a Faithlife Connect subscription.

would any feel this is the cap? And of course it will not. There'll be other excuses brought up to warp drive into higher prices again.

Likely, but we don't have to cross that bridge yet. Right now, I'm enjoying this year's benefits.

With or without a subscription, whether we are newer or older customers, we can be thankful for the books and features that we already own!

Natan de Carvalho

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957032#Comment_957032

Everything is moving towards subscription now. We don't buy music, we rent them. We don't buy movies, we rent them. We don't buy TV shows, we rent them. We don't buy our phones, we rent them (a "free" phone every year means this, btw). So far, entertainment has been subscription-based. I think this is wise, as I could not afford buying so much music, movies, etc. And I really prefer paying $33/month for my phone rather than 1k every year.

HOWEVER, with books things change. Why? Because if I want to "rent" books, I already have my school library for that. Journal articles? We have 782 subscriptions and 37k volumes on campus, all searchable by bible verse, tags, author, etc. Books? 190k books and 390k ebooks. Need help with research? 40 staff members that are available pretty much anytime (from anywhere) to help me with research. So if I want to rent books, I have my library. If Logos subscription is about renting books, then I'm out.

HOWEVER, if the subscription is about features, then I see some use for this. For example, the Biblical Theology/Confessional Documents/NonCanonical Cross Reference features are REALLY important to me. The concordance tool? Always use it. All the Greek/Grammatical features not included? Completely need them. However, I can only get those if I pay $200/year, which for me, is not feasible. I don't care about Faithlife TV, classic books, or "exclusives." So if you want to rent features, what about allowing us to pick our features or buy them separately? For example, Greek studies features: $150. Biblical/Systematic theology feature: $80. And so on. If this is the case, then yes I will purchase features. If not, then I will be out of this subscription when my renewal date arives.

I already pay $75/month on payment plan for my library. I spend about $50 each month on Logos books. That means I'm spendind $1500/year on Logos. With a Diamond Library I believe I have reached a nice and comfortable personal digital library. Perhaps my $1500/year will now be put towards physical books that I need (Oxford Handbooks, Companions, Encyclopedias, academic monographs, etc).

In summary, I agree with subscription based features. However, Logos/Faithlife/whatever-you-want-to-call-it needs to work on their subscription packages. I need languages and Biblical theology. I am not a minister, I do not watch Christian movies/documentaries, and I already take classes at Seminary (no need for extra courses). Perhaps Logos could provide a more tailored experience for its customers. Otherwise, I'm out of my subscriptions.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957032#Comment_957032

Anyone care to take a wild (or tame) guess as to what the cost will be if one such as myself were to drop this LN subscription (and I definitely am) and buy Logos 8? I was at Logos 6 before I made the weird mistake of buying into the LN. All guesses have to be posted with compassion. :-)

Already know any bundles in L8 will be cost prohibitive for me- if there is a minimal upgrade such as L8 engine only I may do that- if it cost hopefully the $100 coupon will cover it, if not will not upgrade.

Looking to migrate to another bible program if I can sell L7- if not my buying days are over.

I'm kind of in agreement.

I would much rather they just exchange my Now for ownership of the full feature set and they can keep the extra cost etc of Connect.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957066#Comment_957066

I would much rather they just exchange my Now for ownership of the full feature set

FL provided a free coupon you can use towards the feature set. Check your email.

In effect, they let us use the benefits of LN through November (or later), but gave us back the cost of LN!

Fos Zoe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956926#Comment_956926

Yes, call customer service and they will fix it. While I suspect that a number of people will chose to cancel, I'd advise people to wait a month or two to see how things shake out. You notice that Verbum Now has not been mentioned in the Connect conversion.

I canceled my auto renewal. Still have until Nov to decide to renew or not, but being Orthodox if Verbum Now is not included in this change, I might just convert from "Protestant" to "Catholic" [:D]

I can't find any press releases saying there are any changes at Verbum Now on the near horizon anyway.

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957099#Comment_957099

Still no responses on any of the valid thoughts brought out. Faithlife please respond

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957164#Comment_957164

Still no responses on any of the valid thoughts brought out. Faithlife please respond

I say this in jest - they r having a meeting on this......The issues r serious + I share Ur concerns.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957164#Comment_957164

Still no responses on any of the valid thoughts brought out. Faithlife please respond

Most of the responses are happening in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/160492.aspx

Bootjack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957046#Comment_957046

Sean, what you say seems to make sense. I'm confused though as to the Extended that you mention. What's the difference between the Full Featured & Extended?

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957244#Comment_957244

Check the Essential upgrades packages too it may be cheaper and it includes a few books

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957244#Comment_957244

I'm confused though as to the Extended that you mention. What's the difference between the Full Featured & Extended?

The main difference is that Extended also includes some resources that might be useful. The feature set comparison has more details.