Seeking your input on an OT Commentary

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Chris Galloway | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 21 2018 8:57 AM

So, I absolutely love my NIGTC set for the detail it provides on the greek text.  I am seeking a similar work that covers the Old Testament.  Any advice or thoughts on which sets have a similar approach?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 11:48 AM

From the NIGTC forward:

The volumes of the NIGTC are for students who want something less technical than a full-scale critical commentary.”

Hmm ... I can’t think of a single one for the OT hebrew.


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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 12:05 PM

Hello, Chris, I'm sure my suggestion will be hooted down. Nevertheless, as one who uses both the NIGTC and the Word Biblical Commentary pretty much daily I think the Word volumes might meet your needs. I say "volumes" (intentional plural) because I'm of the opinion that we do better buying  individual volumes for the Books we're working on rather than whole sets, which inevitably have a bit of chaff in with the wheat.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 12:16 PM

ChrisG:

So, I absolutely love my NIGTC set for the detail it provides on the greek text.  I am seeking a similar work that covers the Old Testament.  Any advice or thoughts on which sets have a similar approach?

I think the slowness of responses is because there isn't an obvious response. The suggestion of buying individual books is sound. Equally the right WBC volumes might suit but the format may grate and the theological persuasion varies. The recent ZECOT volumes engage with the Hebrew and come from a similar theological background as NIGCT, but there are only 3 volumes so far. Whilst the NICOT may not engage in the Hebrew as much as NIGCT I'd be tempted to suggest it is the closest. It's also sale at present if you don't mind buying the New Testament volumes too. Remember there's a 30 day trial period.

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 12:48 PM

in a previous post Mark Barnes suggested this commentary set as a sorta of parallel to Pillar NT, not the question asked about the NIGTC, but the description does look interesting..

"The Apollos Old Testament Commentary (AOTC) aims to take with equal seriousness the divine and human aspects of Scripture. It expounds the books of the Old Testament in a scholarly manner accessible to non-experts, and it shows the relevance of the Old Testament to modern readers. Written by an international team of scholars and edited by David W. Baker and Gordon J. Wenham, these commentaries are intended to serve the needs of those who preach from the Old Testament, as well as scholars and all serious students of the Bible.

The AOTC series introduces and examines the books of the Old Testament, bridging the gap between the age in which they were written and the age in which we now read them. Each commentary begins with an Introduction which gives an overview of the issues of date, authorship, sources, and outlines the theology of the book, providing pointers towards its interpretation and contemporary application. An annotated Translation of the Hebrew text by the author forms the basis for the subsequent commentary.

Within the commentary, form and structure sections examine the context, rhetorical devices, and source and form-critical issues of each passage. Comment sections offer thorough, detailed exegesis of the historical and theological meaning of each passage, and explanation sections offer a full exposition of the theological message within the framework of biblical theology and a commitment to the inspiration and authority of the Old Testament."

https://www.logos.com/product/149562/apollos-old-testament-commentary

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 12:52 PM

Travis Walter:

in a previous post Mark Barnes suggested this commentary set as a sorta of parallel to Pillar NT, not the question asked about the NIGTC, but the description does look interesting..

"The Apollos Old Testament Commentary (AOTC) aims to take with equal seriousness the divine and human aspects of Scripture. It expounds the books of the Old Testament in a scholarly manner accessible to non-experts, and it shows the relevance of the Old Testament to modern readers. Written by an international team of scholars and edited by David W. Baker and Gordon J. Wenham, these commentaries are intended to serve the needs of those who preach from the Old Testament, as well as scholars and all serious students of the Bible.

The AOTC series introduces and examines the books of the Old Testament, bridging the gap between the age in which they were written and the age in which we now read them. Each commentary begins with an Introduction which gives an overview of the issues of date, authorship, sources, and outlines the theology of the book, providing pointers towards its interpretation and contemporary application. An annotated Translation of the Hebrew text by the author forms the basis for the subsequent commentary.

Within the commentary, form and structure sections examine the context, rhetorical devices, and source and form-critical issues of each passage. Comment sections offer thorough, detailed exegesis of the historical and theological meaning of each passage, and explanation sections offer a full exposition of the theological message within the framework of biblical theology and a commitment to the inspiration and authority of the Old Testament."

https://www.logos.com/product/149562/apollos-old-testament-commentary

Yes forgot Apollos was available in Logos. Definitely similar to Pillar.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 1:14 PM

If you are looking for commentaries that deal extensively with Hebrew rather than an English translations here are a few options:

  • The Word Biblical Commentary volumes on the Old Testament (covers all the OT, but you do have to put up with the WBC format)
  • The International Critical Commentaries on the Old Testament (incomplete and much of it is dated.)
  • Keil and Delitzsch (completed but dated)
  • The Continental Commentary Series (incomplete)

Of these, for most people the Word Biblical Commentary would be the best choice. Scholars might like prefer the ICC and Continental Commentaries.

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Chris Galloway | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 1:17 PM

Thanks for the responses...I will give that a look!

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 1:18 PM

WBC is a good option, but like Mark mentioned the formatting is sometimes questionable...I wish the WBC was formatted like the NICOT/NT 

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Chi Shun Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 5:47 PM

Get the Apollos OT Commentary for $200 for 10 volumes as a pre-pub asap before it ships.

It's probably the best exegetical Old Testament commentary that is new

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 21 2018 7:00 PM

Another voice recommending WBC as a text that works from the Hebrew but it's too technical/critical.

With the current discount, you can't go wrong.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 22 2018 12:07 PM

Is the Apollos OT Commentary an ongoing project or will it always be just these 10 books (ie. no Proverbs, Isaiah, Job, etc) ? If it's ongoing if we buy the pre-pub do we get updates as the other books of the Hebrew Bible are completed? If so any idea how long of a project this is?

Also, why the heck would they name a commentary on the Hebrew bible "Apollos"?

***edit *** OK this commentary isn't what I'm looking for after reviewing the photos made available by logos (not much language information presented) but if someone is kind enough to answer my questions I'm still curious how this works with logos. 

Thanks,

-Jeremiah

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 22 2018 12:16 PM

Chi Shun Cheung:

Get the Apollos OT Commentary for $200 for 10 volumes as a pre-pub asap before it ships.

It's probably the best exegetical Old Testament commentary that is new

The sample pages looked promising. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 22 2018 2:27 PM

This appears to be ongoing.  When new volumes are added, new pre-pubs will appear.

https://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/apollos-old-testament-aot/

Forthcoming

? Baker, David W. Genesis
? Hugenberger, Gordon Judges
? Klingbeil, Gerald Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther
? Wenham, Gordon J. Psalms
? Overland, Paul Proverbs
? Fredericks, Daniel Ecclesiastes
? Estes, Daniel J. Songs of Songs
? Schultz, Richard Isaiah
? Tiemeyer, Lena-Sofia Ezekiel
? Carroll, M. Daniel Hosea
? Naylor, Peter Joel, Amos
? Möller, Karl Obadiah, Jonah, Micah
? Hartzfeld, David Habakkuk
? Luter, A. Boyd Zephaniah
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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 2:35 AM

Very different to the NIGTC but you might like to check out this new set from Baylor

https://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/baylor-handbook-on-the-hebrew-bible-bhhb/

Regards Kevin

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 9:54 AM

Mark Smith:

If you are looking for commentaries that deal extensively with Hebrew rather than an English translations here are a few options:

  • The Word Biblical Commentary volumes on the Old Testament (covers all the OT, but you do have to put up with the WBC format)
  • The International Critical Commentaries on the Old Testament (incomplete and much of it is dated.)
  • Keil and Delitzsch (completed but dated)
  • The Continental Commentary Series (incomplete)

Of these, for most people the Word Biblical Commentary would be the best choice. Scholars might like prefer the ICC and Continental Commentaries.

I agree. I don't dabble much in the OT, but the WBC has been my go-to exegetical commentary. However, if you are fine with a more expositional approach, the NAC and TOTC both have an extensive OT catalog.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 20 2018 10:56 AM

Reminder to anyone interested... The Apollos Commentary set ships today so get it for $150 off while you still can.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 20 2018 11:47 AM

Jeremiah:
Also, why the heck would they name a commentary on the Hebrew bible "Apollos"?

I realize I am posting to an old thread, but this question got the best of me so I looked into it and "Apollos" is the name of the publisher offering this work in cooperation with IVP.

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 20 2018 1:02 PM

In reply to Jeremiah's question, "why the heck would they name a commentary on the Hebrew bible 'Apollos'?", how about Acts 18.24 in its context?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 20 2018 1:48 PM

Steve Maling:

In reply to Jeremiah's question, "why the heck would they name a commentary on the Hebrew bible 'Apollos'?", how about Acts 18.24 in its context?

 I assume it’s because Apollos was mighty in the (Old Testament) Scriptures because he only knew the baptism of John.

DAL

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