Query: List of Godly/Ungodly Kings of Israel and Judah

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Ben Vargh | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 3 2010 8:46 AM

Can anyone please let me know if there is logos resource with the above list preferably as a chart?

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David P. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:00 PM

Hi, Ben.

Harper's Bible Dictionary and Halley's Handbook offers a table of all the kings, but not categorized to whether good or bad. , but it's a place to start. One approach to finding what you want is to do a Entire Library search using the NEAR command, and inserting a list of the godly or ungodly kings that you would expect to see. For example, for the godly kings:

hezekiah NEAR asa NEAR josiah NEAR Jehoshaphat

There is also a way to refine the above, specifying the number of words you would want to see between each king. Perhaps someone else can suggest a tighter way of doing this.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:04 PM

Hmmm. 

I can't think of such a resource, but I used to have a chart like that, it didn't list them all as godly or ungodly, but did shade the ones who were particularly um... notable.

http://community.logos.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/76/3782.Kings-_2600_-Prophets-Chart.PDF

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William Bingham | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:44 PM

I too can not think of a resource that shows that. 

What I would do for a case like this is to get a list of alll the Kings of Israel and Judah then go into scripture and other resources and just list points for each. 

This might be a little harsh but I would personally say all Kings were ungodly.  David, king after God's own heart, committed adultery and murder.  Pretty bad in my book. 

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:44 PM

Ben Vargh:

Can anyone please let me know if there is logos resource with the above list preferably as a chart?

Here is a link to a product that lists the kings, although they are not divided as bad/good.  

 http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/bkmapcht

If you have the resource, check this link:

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Usually the Scriptural account of each king will sum up their lives as good or bad with terms like this: "committed sins" "fully devoted" "walked in the ways"

CHeck a few of the references of those kings out, and you could search for those terms (or the ones your own translation uses).  That should give you a summary of who was good, bad, or in some cases, both.  (or like Manasseh, the most evil to humble and godly.  :)

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:51 PM

The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible lists the kings (of Judah and of Israel) and gives summaries of their reign.

I think reading the Bible on them is pretty instructive and valuable, but the summaries might help condense some of the longer accounts of kinds like Ahab.   But it is always (or almost always) at the conclusion of a king's account that you will find how they are summed up in the bible.  Keep in mind that some appear more flowery and nice in one account over another (re: the duplication of accounts in Kings and Chronicles (of Judean Kings)

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Tom Rosenow | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:54 PM

"The Northern Kingdom, Israel, continued for 250 years after the separation.  During this period, Israel had 19 kings from nine different families.  Not one of them kept himself free from idolatry.

The Southern Kingdom, Judah, which continued for 380 years, had 20 kings, all from the house of David, as God had promised, and six of these (Asa, Jehoshaphat, Uzziah, Jotham, Hezekiah, and Josiah) are described as having walked in the ways of the Lord."

Taken from The People's Bible: Book of Books, pg. 131

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 1:59 PM

Tom Rosenow:
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"The Northern Kingdom, Israel, continued for 250 years after the separation. During this period, Israel had 19 kings from nine different families. Not one of them kept himself free from idolatry.

The Southern Kingdom, Judah, which continued for 380 years, had 20 kings, all from the house of David, as God had promised, and six of these (Asa, Jehoshaphat, Uzziah, Jotham, Hezekiah, and Josiah) are described as having walked in the ways of the Lord."

 

Taken from "The People's Bible: Book of Books", pg. 131 

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That is a good place to start.  However, they have oversimplified some of the southern kings, such as Manasseh.  He ended up good, righting wrongs that he had earlier committed.  The Lord brought him back from exile--however the sins he committed still brought on their eventual destruction, though God held off for a while.

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 2:02 PM

see 2 Chron 33:10-20 about his captivity and repentance.

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Tom Rosenow | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 2:05 PM

Dan, your point is well made.  I suppose it comes down to the question of what makes a king godly or ungodly.

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Ben Vargh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 2:07 PM

I want to express my heartfelt thanks to all for the resource suggestions, search suggestions, charts, observations...all given so quickly. May Godly richly bless you all for the time you spent for me!

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JimT | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 2:51 PM

Ben Vargh:
... preferably as a chart ...

Ben,

Sadly, it does not appear to be in Logos (yet?), but i have a paper edition of "The Thompson Chain-Reference Bible", NIV, from Zondervan.

There is a nice graph as item 4235a "Primary Causes of the Babylon Captivity". The graph has a timeline along the bottom, from 1050 BC to 586 BC. On the vertical scale, it attempts to show a level ranging Idolatry-Sin-Righteousness. Within the body of the graph is each King in their date-range and the refs to sections of 1/2 Sam, 1/2 Kings, 2 Chr etc.

I got to say, few of them come close to a clean record, except maybe Saul. Most start or end in sin or even idolatry. A few hardly get off zero (idolatry), and a few spend most of them time at the top (Righteousness). David's part looks good except for 2 Sa 11.

You would be well served to use your own bible and attempt to recreate the graph yourself, based on your own reading. You will end with a useful graph, but more important, you wll understand why its the shapes it is, based on your own study and reading. Your notes will then show clear times of turning to God, and times of turning from His ways, and what became of the King.

If you undertake to make your own graph, the answers and ideas others have offered will of course be good sources too.

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 2:59 PM

Tom Rosenow:

Dan, your point is well made.  I suppose it comes down to the question of what makes a king godly or ungodly.

Tom, there is no question that they all had moments where they acted like idiots (glad I don't have my life written as scripture for all to see . . . yikes!), very sinful and ungodly.  There is a reason God sent us his Son!  Smile  If anything, the accounts of the kings are instructive for us to learn from them, avoiding their bad and emulating their good, and in all things, falling on the grace of God.  It is instructive, however, how God's word sums up their lives.  Manasseh is a terrific story to tell a man who has been nothing short of a "Hell's Angel" all his life: God can redeem even you; you can repent, God will forgive, and you can set about to righting wrongs and bring glory rather than shame to His name.  But there are others who start out seemingly good (like Jehu in the north--but that is a flash in the pan, he ends bad) or other good guys, like Hezekiah or Jehoshaphat who who make some big blunders along the way.  Oh yeah, David.  Wink

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:01 PM

Jim Towler:
I got to say, few of them come close to a clean record, except maybe Saul.

 

. . . and he only had his kingdom and dynasty taken away because of it . . . Surprise

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Ben Vargh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:10 PM

Jim Towler:
t attempts to show a level ranging Idolatry-Sin-Righteousness

Hi Jim, Thanks for this insight. As many others have said, it is not an easy 'Yes' or 'No' question!

 

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Chuck P. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:14 PM

Don't know if this is what you are looking for, but I found this online....    

http://www.biblestudy.org/prophecy/israel-kings.html

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:15 PM

Jim Towler:

There is a nice graph as item 4235a "Primary Causes of the Babylon Captivity". The graph has a timeline along the bottom, from 1050 BC to 586 BC. On the vertical scale, it attempts to show a level ranging Idolatry-Sin-Righteousness. Within the body of the graph is each King in their date-range and the refs to sections of 1/2 Sam, 1/2 Kings, 2 Chr etc.

I got to say, few of them come close to a clean record, except maybe Saul. Most start or end in sin or even idolatry. A few hardly get off zero (idolatry), and a few spend most of them time at the top (Righteousness). David's part looks good except for 2 Sa 11.

You would be well served to use your own bible and attempt to recreate the graph yourself, based on your own reading. You will end with a useful graph, but more important, you wll understand why its the shapes it is, based on your own study and reading. Your notes will then show clear times of turning to God, and times of turning from His ways, and what became of the King.

If you undertake to make your own graph, the answers and ideas others have offered will of course be good sources too.

 

BTW, that graph sounds very helpful, and even if (especially if!) one must make one's own graph, you are spot on, regarding its use for us.  And if I may rephrase you a bit . . . "it will shape us!"  Good points.

 

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ELA | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:21 PM

this is from the ESV-study bible (we're still waiting for that one in Logos - sigh!) It's the note for 1.Kg 14:22ff

 

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JimT | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:23 PM

Dan DeVilder:
. . . and he only had his kingdom and dynasty taken away because of it . . . Surprise

OK, I just skim-read about Saul in 1 Sam. Its a good reason one should NOT use a graph or table from a book, but go do your own research!!!

Graphing the Kings, or putting them on the left or right of a good/bad list is NOT easy, or maybe, not even possible, by Man.

Praise God that we don't have the job of editting the Lamb's Book of Life!

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Dan DeVilder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 3:29 PM

Jim Towler:

Dan DeVilder:
. . . and he only had his kingdom and dynasty taken away because of it . . . Surprise

OK, I just skim-read about Saul in 1 Sam. Its a good reason one should NOT use a graph or table from a book, but go do your own research!!!

Graphing the Kings, or putting them on the left or right of a good/bad list is NOT easy, or maybe, not even possible, by Man.

Praise God that we don't have the job of editting the Lamb's Book of Life!

Just having a little fun.  You've made some very good contributions, Jim.  Smile

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