Hebrew Cantillations

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018 12:51 PM

I would be interested in chatting with anyone involved in the development of the Hebrew Cantillations feature, since there is no introduction. In particular, what underlies the decisions to 1) start with sop pasuq rather than silluq and 2) to use, for example, Athnah A and Athnah B? Hebrew Cantillations appears to be a constituent structure tree turned on its side. Is this correct? So for example, are Athnah A and Athnah B the daughters of Sop Pasuq with Athnah A and Athnah B being sisters? Any input is appreciated.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 1:29 PM

Hi Mark.

The Hebrew Cantillations (graphs, supplemental data, and search database) uses the same algorithm as the Hebrew Cantillation Interactive.

You are correct that the graph is essentially a constituent structure tree turned on its side. Your intuition of the parent/sibling relationship between nodes is correct. There is a documentation resource for Hebrew Cantillations, but it is more about the "how" and less about the "why".

Rick Brannan
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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 1:41 PM

Thanks for the confirmation, Rick. Follow-up: You mention the search database; are the accents searchable in Logos? I recently searched for how to search on the accents in Logos but came up empty.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 1:42 PM

PS Where can I access the documentation you mention?

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 2:02 PM

Mark Futato:
Where can I access the documentation

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 2:14 PM

Hi Mark.

The Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis was released in conjunction with Logos 7.4 and licensed for Logos Now subscribers.

It doesn't sound like you have this (I'd assumed you were a Logos Now / Faithlife Connect subscriber). The Hebrew Cantillation Interactive, which is what I'm guessing you're referencing, is an interactive that was initially delivered with Logos 6. It provides a picture (graph) of the cantillation structure, but no real searchability or ability to compare multiple passages.

Here's the forum post that announced the Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysishttps://community.logos.com/forums/t/135738.aspx It has more information of the parts and abilities.

If you are a Logos Now / Faithlife Connect subscriber but don't see this data, let me know and I can dig into it from this end.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 3:19 PM

I am a subscriber, but I missed the announcement. I have the data set and documentation. I will read the documentation then poke around. Thanks for your help.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 5:10 PM

I read the documentation. Ran some searches. Searching for single accents or for sequences is a breeze. Have not yet figured out NOT, e.g., Atnach NOT Rebia. Congratulations on a great tool.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 28 2018 9:39 PM

Glad to hear it, Mark. And thank you.

It's been awhile since I've had my head in the cantillation data, but I'll try to find some time to dig back in and come up with some strategies on this.

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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 6:03 AM

Thanks, Rick.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 12:06 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

Glad to hear it, Mark. And thank you.

It's been awhile since I've had my head in the cantillation data, but I'll try to find some time to dig back in and come up with some strategies on this.

Hi Mark.

Is this the type of thing you're looking for? There are a slew of hits (over 26K) but from your description I think this is what you're asking.

The items pointed to in red are the properties of the "Duke (Prose)" object that I changed. "Skip levels" means there can be intervening levels between the two objects, and "Is not present" means "not".

I've published the search document to the "LHB Cantillation Analysis" Faithlife group, you should be able to access the document through the group's document menu: https://faithlife.com/lhb-cantillation-analysis/documents  (you may need to join or follow the group to access the document).

Rick Brannan
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Mark Futato | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 9:05 PM

Thanks, Rick. Worked like a charm. I am now a Follower. How do I join? I presume I need to be a Member to upload a doc. I tried to upload my results for the search limited to Gen 1:1-2:3, but could not see how.

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