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DAL | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Mar 29 2018 1:28 PM

7 pages worth of spam! I’m surprised Accordance doesn’t get hit like this. Maybe their forum software is better.

DAL

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 1:32 PM

I'm more surprised that FL + US...yeah, us...continue to get hit with this junk, as nothing gets done about it.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 1:33 PM

When is Faithlife going to realize that the spam is driving away users and potential customers from coming to the forums?

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 1:43 PM

When is FL going to state its position on spam and justify its Stone Age response to this  problem?

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 1:51 PM

7 pages of trash

that continues to clash

with my need to read

the forum with speed

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David Staveley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 2:12 PM

DAL:

7 pages worth of spam! I’m surprised Accordance doesn’t get hit like this. Maybe their forum software is better.

DAL

Accordance forums uses IPBoards, which is next to vBulletin as amongst the most secure of forum software solutions. But it isn't free, which is probably why FL doesn't use it (this forum uses PHPBB software which is free).

The thing which is really odd is that FL have a whole range of free forum software solutions to choose from which are far, far more secure than PHPBB. Joomla is free. As is Simple Machines. Bot are very, very good at security. And as stated, they are entirely free. 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 3:29 PM

David Staveley:

Accordance forums uses IPBoards, which is next to vBulletin as amongst the most secure of forum software solutions. But it isn't free, which is probably why FL doesn't use it (this forum uses PHPBB software which is free).

IPBoards costs around $35 for 6 months. If that's really the reason for not switching to IPBoards, that'd be unbelievably silly. I'm sure there are other reasons.

David Staveley:

The thing which is really odd is that FL have a whole range of free forum software solutions to choose from which are far, far more secure than PHPBB.

How do you know this board is based on PHPBB? As the name suggests, PHPBB works on PHP, and not on Active Server Pages (ASPX). Is it just an assumption you're presenting as fact?

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David Staveley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 4:08 PM

Jan Krohn:

David Staveley:

Accordance forums uses IPBoards, which is next to vBulletin as amongst the most secure of forum software solutions. But it isn't free, which is probably why FL doesn't use it (this forum uses PHPBB software which is free).

IPBoards costs around $35 for 6 months. If that's really the reason for not switching to IPBoards, that'd be unbelievably silly. I'm sure there are other reasons.

David Staveley:

The thing which is really odd is that FL have a whole range of free forum software solutions to choose from which are far, far more secure than PHPBB.

How do you know this board is based on PHPBB? As the name suggests, PHPBB works on PHP, and not on Active Server Pages (ASPX). Is it just an assumption you're presenting as fact?

Yes, it is just an assumption on my part. I am sorry if it offended you.

Dr David Staveley Professor of New Testament. Specializing in the Pauline Epistles, Apocalyptic Judaism, and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 29 2018 5:40 PM

David Staveley:

Yes, it is just an assumption on my part. I am sorry if it offended you.

Oh my. I’m laughing, Dr David. The comment is pretty common these days. Not sorry for false information. Sorry if someone was offended at false information.

Now, my comment sounds offensive. But I do wonder where the distinction became theologically lost (I assume).  Even pastors caught in truly bad behavior go for it, so there must have been a turning point maybe at the millenia or so.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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David Staveley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 1:01 AM

Denise:

David Staveley:

Yes, it is just an assumption on my part. I am sorry if it offended you.

Oh my. I’m laughing, Dr David. The comment is pretty common these days. Not sorry for false information. Sorry if someone was offended at false information.

Now, my comment sounds offensive. But I do wonder where the distinction became theologically lost (I assume).  Even pastors caught in truly bad behavior go for it, so there must have been a turning point maybe at the millenia or so.

I feel a couple of people here have missed the wood for the trees. The real point here is not what forum software they are using, but how inadequate it is. Whatever it is they are using on this forum, whatever name we give it, it isn't keeping the spam bots out, and there are so many better solutions out there one wonders why FL doesn't implement one of them. 

That is the real issue. And attacking me because I happened to inadvertently call the forum software by an incorrect name, or whether I apologise for the offence it caused and not the mistake itself, is attempting to side-step and deflect from the real problem. It is all just a smoke screen trying to obscure the real issue. 

Now, what was it Jesus said about straining out a gnat but swallowing a camel? I wonder where that theological distinction got lost.

Dr David Staveley Professor of New Testament. Specializing in the Pauline Epistles, Apocalyptic Judaism, and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 7:18 AM

Now, Dr Dave. I'm just humoring you, though yesterday a gnat did make its way thru the screen door, and was impossible to whack.

You did make a good run at knocking FL. You don't know how much customization is in the current code (quite a bit, over the years), and what they'd have to stop in order to convert. Nor, their plans, after the web app is pretty much in place. And the upper-case letters do require some displayed pride. So, camels aside, the theology remains.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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David Staveley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 7:44 AM

Denise:
So, camels aside, the theology remains.

I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong.

Dr David Staveley Professor of New Testament. Specializing in the Pauline Epistles, Apocalyptic Judaism, and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2018 9:53 AM

Big Smile

David Staveley:

Denise:
So, camels aside, the theology remains.

I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 31 2018 10:26 AM

We chose this forum software almost a decade ago... a primary motivator was the ability to use existing Logos.com user accounts, which wasn't something we could do with all the third-party platforms. (As well as a bias towards source-available solutions for .NET, since we use that for all our web coding. We didn't want to have to integrate a new tech stack just for the forums. A lot of forum software was built on PHP in the past, but we don't really use PHP.)

As I understand it, the platform doesn't get much attention. In the short term we keep looking for ways to keep the spam out without creating too big a burden to posting. It's a continual balancing act.

In the future we plan to move to the Faithlife platform, but the forum support there isn't robust enough. Once it is, we'll have not only integrated account, but much easier image support, integration with other parts of the Faithlife system, etc.

I'm sorry for the frustration.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 31 2018 11:07 AM

Bob Pritchett:
In the future we plan to move to the Faithlife platform, but the forum support there isn't robust enough. Once it is, we'll have not only integrated account, but much easier image support, integration with other parts of the Faithlife system, etc.

I'm glad that you are waiting, spam notwithstanding, until the forum support there becomes robust enough. Smile

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 31 2018 2:47 PM

Bob Pritchett:

In the short term we keep looking for ways to keep the spam out without creating too big a burden to posting. It's a continual balancing act.

In the future we plan to move to the Faithlife platform, but the forum support there isn't robust enough. Once it is, we'll have not only integrated account, but much easier image support, integration with other parts of the Faithlife system, etc.

I'm sorry for the frustration.

It's a comfort to know the problem has your attention and that you have a plan to address it. In all fairness, the response time for clearing the spam has improved at least from my perspective. I look forward to the future when the spam threat is passe.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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Bob Pritchett:
In the short term we keep looking for ways to keep the spam out without creating too big a burden to posting. It's a continual balancing act.

We have deployed a simple rate-limiting feature for new posters. Established forum accounts (with a significant number of existing forum posts) are exempt from the rate limit.

If you are told that your post has been moderated, it may be because you are a new user who is posting too frequently, or it may be because your post looks "spammy" and was caught by the existing spam filter.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2018 11:27 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Bob Pritchett:
In the short term we keep looking for ways to keep the spam out without creating too big a burden to posting. It's a continual balancing act.

We have deployed a simple rate-limiting feature for new posters. Established forum accounts (with a significant number of existing forum posts) are exempt from the rate limit.

If you are told that your post has been moderated, it may be because you are a new user who is posting too frequently, or it may be because your post looks "spammy" and was caught by the existing spam filter.

Mine never posted and it was about a price drop on Alexander Whyte Bible Characters for $24.99 and it used to sell for $74 and change.

https://www.logos.com/product/6733/bible-characters

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 4 2018 11:29 PM

Ok Bradley, you need to, please, fix my posting permit because apparently I can’t post anything that includes a link to your own website.

DAL

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LogosEmployee

DAL:

Ok Bradley, you need to, please, fix my posting permit because apparently I can’t post anything that includes a link to your own website.

I've manually approved your most recent post; it should appear above.

Over 1,500 spam posts were caught by the filter in the last two days (this was before the rate limiting) so your other post is probably stuck somewhere in the moderation queue.

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