Search for a particular word in the imperative

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Clay Brisbois | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 12 2010 12:14 PM

Hi Forum Gang,

My wife is trying to find all of the places God asks us to "come" in the Bible.  This seems like a good opportunity for Logos to flex it's muscles, but I am having trouble figuring out the search terms for this one - any help is appreciated!

So far the best results I have are from a morphological search using the ESV using Logos Greek Morphology: come NEAR @V??M

However, this gives me results when there is any imperative near the word come, and I only want the instances where the imperative IS come.  I tried using EQUALS and there were zero results, but I know that is not accurate.

Thanks,

Clay

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 12 2010 12:21 PM

try:

come AND @V??M

 

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Clay Brisbois | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 12 2010 12:52 PM

DominicM:

try:

come AND @V??M

Thanks Dominic -

That is what I tried first, and using NEAR actually refined the results.  After seeing your post I tried searching using the LEB, but I do not have the "All Morph Text" option - are you using a beta version?  Here is a screen shot of my results.  As you can see I get all results for come with an imperative in the vicinity, but what I would like is any place an imperative in Greek is translated as come:

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 12 2010 4:40 PM

Clay,

Dominic is using 4.0c which was just released today!

Unfortunately, the ANEQUALS operator doesn't work when pairng an English word with a general morphology. You can do "come ANDEQUALS lemma:ἔρχομαι" but not "come ANDEQUALS @V??M" It has something to do with the way the data is structured. I still don't really understand it; I just know that it doesn't work!

However, there is a work-around "come WITHIN 0 WORDS @V??M"

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Clay Brisbois | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 18 2010 1:58 PM

Kevin Becker:

Clay,

Dominic is using 4.0c which was just released today!

Unfortunately, the ANEQUALS operator doesn't work when pairng an English word with a general morphology. You can do "come ANDEQUALS lemma:ἔρχομαι" but not "come ANDEQUALS @V??M" It has something to do with the way the data is structured. I still don't really understand it; I just know that it doesn't work!

However, there is a work-around "come WITHIN 0 WORDS @V??M"

Thanks Kevin, this is exactly what I wanted to do.  Not very intuitive, but very effective nonetheless Big Smile

I have since upgraded to 4.0c.  I don't really understand the options for the All Morph Text, so hopefully Logos will include more info in the Help, or a blog post or a forum post.  I am particularly interested in the option for "Later Textual Addition" - if that refers to pericopes that fall in bracketed text like John 8, or something else.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 18 2010 3:53 PM

Clay Brisbois:
I don't really understand the options for the All Morph Text, so hopefully Logos will include more info in the Help, or a blog post or a forum post.

If you look at Resource Information for the particular bible (eg ESV) you will get a definition under the heading Search Fields.  The wording will be slightly different eg. later-addition = "Later Textual Addition"

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Bryan Chan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 2:59 PM

Hi, when I apply the same procedure and look for all imperatives in 2 Peter, it works in Lexham English Bible but does not work in NA 27 and Gramcord? Can anyone help me? Thanks very much!

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 3:23 PM

Bryan Chan:
Hi, when I apply the same procedure and look for all imperatives in 2 Peter, it works in Lexham English Bible but does not work in NA 27 and Gramcord? Can anyone help me? Thanks very much!

What search strings are you using exactly? This finds all the imperatives in the NA27 w/ Logos morph

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 3:25 PM

someone else will have to help you with GRAMCORD. I only use the Logos Morphology (McReynolds), you neen to make a range for 2 peter

example

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 5:53 PM

DominicM:

try:

come AND @V??M

Or, you can simply do a morph search for ἔρχομαι@V??M in the NA27.  I get 40 hits in 18 verses.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 7:31 PM

George Somsel:
Or, you can simply do a morph search for ἔρχομαι@V??M in the NA27.  I get 40 hits in 18 verses.

Concur, personally searched lemma:ἔρχομαι@V??M - however some other lemma's are translated come so a morph search come WITHIN 0 WORDS @V??M in NA27 with McReynolds English Interlinear finds 273 results in 119 verses - surprisingly ἔρχομαι has 31 results (not match 40 hits)

Switching from morph search to bible search, syntax becomes (([field bible, content] come) WITHIN 0 words ([field bible, content] <lbs-morph+el ~ V??M????>)) that finds results in reverse interlinear Bibles, including glossy entries since "come" can be part of English gloss (e.g. Matthew 6:3 to come to know, recognize, perceive)


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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 8:46 AM

Bryan Chan:
Hi, when I apply the same procedure and look for all imperatives in 2 Peter, it works in Lexham English Bible but does not work in NA 27 and Gramcord? Can anyone help me? Thanks very much!

Bryan,

If you do a morph search instead of a Bible search, you'll get help as you're constructing the search. Just type the @ sign in the search, and you can then choose verb and imperative from the dropdown menu.

All morphologies are slightly different from one another. The imperative code in GRAMCORD is @V????M

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Bryan Chan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 8:47 PM

Dear Kevin and Mark,

Thanks so much!

Bryan

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