Changing LORD to Yahweh

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 4 2010 7:37 AM

Jerry Smith:

 

It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?

That's a footnote marker that was already there (note the a,b,c, and d in the lines before it).

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 4 2010 7:39 AM

Todd . . . much thanks! I've looked and looked, and, obviously, missed the obvious! Too much "looking" I think! Same thing in Am6.8 too . . .

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 4 2010 7:49 AM

Jerry Smith:
It's working great, except, I'm getting an extra "e" in Amos 5.8 . . . Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?

I can only assume it is caused by the superscripted eLord in the NAS

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 4 2010 7:53 AM

Thanks Dave . . . as I mentioned earlier, I think I've just been doing too much "looking" and not enough paying attention! Back on track now, and absolutely love the Visual Filters when I'm trying to focus on some particular!

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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 8 2011 5:59 PM

I thought I would revive this thread (it's one of my favorites..) with a problem I found today.  I was thrilled to figure out here how to replace LORD with Yahweh.  Today I was in 2 Sam 7:18-29 (ESV) and found that this visual filter doesn't quite work here.  (It words with Yahweh by itself, but not when Yahweh is with another title.)  I have been working with visual filters lately to try to figure them out.  My first question is:  why in verse 18, e.g., does the visual filter not white out the superscript "God" here like it does when it encounters Yahweh in the Hebrew?

Secondly, do you know how the visual filters will behave when, for example in this passage, one visual filter will try to replace  "the LORD" with Yahweh, while another one will try to replace Lord GOD with with Adonai Yahweh?  (Both dealing with יהוה )  I haven't gotten quite that far into it and was just wondering...

Has anyone tried replacing other names of God in other instances such as this, besides just the occurances of "the LORD" for Yahweh?

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 8 2011 8:28 PM

Tom Geswein:

I thought I would revive this thread (it's one of my favorites..) with a problem I found today.  I was thrilled to figure out here how to replace LORD with Yahweh.  Today I was in 2 Sam 7:18-29 (ESV) and found that this visual filter doesn't quite work here.  (It words with Yahweh by itself, but not when Yahweh is with another title.)  I have been working with visual filters lately to try to figure them out.  My first question is:  why in verse 18, e.g., does the visual filter not white out the superscript "God" here like it does when it encounters Yahweh in the Hebrew?

Secondly, do you know how the visual filters will behave when, for example in this passage, one visual filter will try to replace  "the LORD" with Yahweh, while another one will try to replace Lord GOD with with Adonai Yahweh?  (Both dealing with יהוה )  I haven't gotten quite that far into it and was just wondering...

Has anyone tried replacing other names of God in other instances such as this, besides just the occurances of "the LORD" for Yahweh?

I've updated my filter to deal with the O Lord GOD situation (Where GOD is the Yahweh equivalent instead of LORD), plus the case for "O LORD" which is in verse 25 of that same passage, and I've added an Adonai filter too, which required me to use the lemma.

The value for each entry is:

  • the BEFORE 1 words יהוה 
  • "o lord" BEFORE 1 words  יהוה
  • "o" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
  • יהוה
  • ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)

The first three get the white highlight.

If you don't want the Adonai filter, then a line still needs to be added to the original filter to handle the "O"s.  It should be set to the white highlight:

  • "o" BEFORE 1-2 words יהוה
  • the BEFORE 1 words יהוה 
  • יהוה

BTW, I also noticed an odd discrepancy (which doesn't affect the filter): verse 22 has "O LORD God" (with LORD in caps) whereas all the other verses in the passage have "O Lord GOD" (with GOD in caps), but the underlying Hebrew is the same.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 8 2011 8:43 PM

Here is a screen shot of how I did it.  Click on it to enlarge.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 9 2011 3:17 PM

Nice solution!

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Tom Geswein | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 9 2011 6:55 PM

Thanks for the solution.  For some reason, I tried typing out the line "([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)" , but couldn't get it to work.  I finally copied and pasted it and it worked.  Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc.  I was wondering how you came up with the line above or if it was generated somewhere in L4 for you.  ???

I found the listing in the wiki for the command line commands, but not any of the switches like what was used here or in rules for collections and such.

Thanks again.

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 9 2011 7:24 PM

Tom Geswein:
  Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc. 

http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP

Tom Geswein:
I was wondering how you came up with the line above or if it was generated somewhere in L4 for you.  ???

If you enter lemma:אדן:1 into a Morph search, and then change the search type to Bible, it changes the syntax to this: ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)

It can actually be shortened to  <Lemma = af/he/אדן:1>.

Another way to get it is to click on the word in a Bible, and select the Lemma tab in the menu, and click on Search this resource.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 6:51 AM

Todd Phillips:

Tom Geswein:
  Is there anywhere that anyone knows of (wiki, etc.) that has a little more information on different commands to use in cases like this? e.g. BEFORE, AND etc. 

http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP

If if you want a LOT more information: http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Searching_for_Bible_Verses_and_other_References (although this little bit on lemmas is hidden between two screenshots).

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Harry Lincoln | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 9:16 AM

I added the word "Lord" to the Highlight so it reads "Lord (Yahweh) YHWH".  The visual filter looks for יהוה and produces "the Lord (Yahweh) Lord" with "the" being from the text and the rest from the filter/highlight.  Am I missing something or is this a good solution? I made the superscript very small so it is not readable leaving the text to essentially read "the Lord (Yahweh).

 

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Harry Lincoln | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 10:41 AM

I have just noticed that in the 2 Samuel 7:18 passage where adona is part of the compound name, that the result is Lord Lord (Yahweh) God.

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David N. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 7:35 PM

2011/01/29

Hi,

This is a fabulous thread and I am working on using Visual Filters to make an adjustment in the English NT text for a preference of mine.  I prefer to display "Yeshua" where "Jesus" appears in the text and I prefer "Messiah" where "Christ" appears in the text.

I was working on making the substitutions individually, but then there was a conflict if the expression was "Jesus Christ" - I think because of the order of the substitutions?  Anyway, then I started working on displaying "Yeshua the Messiah" when "Jesus Christ" appears in the text - BUT - now I have too many levels of Visual Filters!

So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?

I haven't even gotten into the "sticky" searches yet, such as:  displaying "Messiah Yeshua" for "Christ Jesus."

So if Christ comes AFTER Jesus, I would like it to display "Yeshua the Messiah" - BUT if Christ comes BEFORE Jesus, I would like it to display "Messiah Yeshua" (so there is no English "the" depending on the word order.)

Also, I've tried this with a Morphological search using the lemma and I've also used a Bible text search using the English words.  I'm unclear as to which is better.  I imagine in the long run it would be better to make it a Morphological search so that the results are not skewed by parts of speech.

Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, David

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 7:43 PM

David:
So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?

Yes, uncheck them here:

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David N. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 8:05 PM

2011/01/29

Hi Todd

What fabulous information you have in this post!  Especially the first image! 

Todd Phillips:

I've updated my filter to deal with the O Lord GOD situation (Where GOD is the Yahweh equivalent instead of LORD), plus the case for "O LORD" which is in verse 25 of that same passage, and I've added an Adonai filter too, which required me to use the lemma.

The value for each entry is:

  • the BEFORE 1 words יהוה 
  • "o lord" BEFORE 1 words  יהוה
  • "o" BEFORE 1 words יהוה
  • יהוה
  • ([field bible, content] <lemma = af/he/אדן:1>)

The first three get the white highlight.

If you don't want the Adonai filter, then a line still needs to be added to the original filter to handle the "O"s.  It should be set to the white highlight:

  • "o" BEFORE 1-2 words יהוה
  • the BEFORE 1 words יהוה 
  • יהוה

BTW, I also noticed an odd discrepancy (which doesn't affect the filter): verse 22 has "O LORD God" (with LORD in caps) whereas all the other verses in the passage have "O Lord GOD" (with GOD in caps), but the underlying Hebrew is the same.

I didn't realize that you could "stack" the search conditions and that each search condition did NOT have to have it's own individual formatting!  That's great!  So stacking the search conditions without formatting in between appears to be a logical "OR" is that correct?  And am I correct in understanding that the topmost search condition is the broadest and that each successive search condition refines the search a little more?  Now, if all that is true - then would it be possible to have different formatting at each level - which would be a sort of  "branching" or does it continue down the list and stop at the first condition that has formatting?  I hope that makes sense.  I'm trying to figure out how the searches work.

Thanks, David

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David N. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 8:18 PM

2011/01/29

Hi Kevin,

Thank you so much for your incredibly fast reply to my post!  Yes 

Kevin Becker:

David:
So first, is there a way to "hide" your Visual Filters without deleting them, as you work on other iterations of the Visual Filters - so that all of them are not applied at once, but you don't lose the ones you've worked out previously?

Yes, uncheck them here:

And also for the great information!  At first I didn't know what "drop down" arrow you must have clicked on to get that menu - then I noticed the three intertwined colored circles!  I'm guessing that those circles are only colorized when there are Visual Filters enabled?  Because I never really noticed them before.

Thanks again, David

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 30 2011 3:29 AM

David:
And also for the great information!  At first I didn't know what "drop down" arrow you must have clicked on to get that menu - then I noticed the three intertwined colored circles!  I'm guessing that those circles are only colorized when there are Visual Filters enabled?  Because I never really noticed them before.

You're welcome. Yes, the colors only appear as you enable visual filters. This is a very handy menu to know about. You can toggle visual filters, the notification boxes for note files, and even highlighting palettes. This is handy for honing your focus or speeding Logos up if it gets bogged down accounting for all the extra visual info.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 30 2011 5:03 AM

David N.:
I didn't realize that you could "stack" the search conditions and that each search condition did NOT have to have it's own individual formatting!  That's great!  So stacking the search conditions without formatting in between appears to be a logical "OR" is that correct? 

Actually that's not the case.   The ones with the "blank" style fields are actually set to a white-colored style that you can't see because the style name is white.  It's defined to be a white, superscript, and 20% sized style.  This is to make the matching words practically invisible.  The style names take on their defined style, and this makes the style names invisible for white styles.

If you don't set a style for a search pattern, then I don't think any style will be applied.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2011 1:55 PM

Alright, what am I doing wrong? Everything works except for superscripting the original word (LORD, etc). If you look carefully at one the "Yahweh" occurrences in my screenshot, there is a tiny gray line at the lower right of "Yahweh" that I'm assuming is probably the original word, but I can't figure out what is wrong with my highlighting style or visual filter that could be causing the problem.

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