The Clear Word Bible

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Virgil Sams | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Aug 15 2018 9:43 AM

Does Logos have The Clear Word Bible? If it does, how can I acquire it?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 15 2018 10:08 AM

It does not appear so, but the store is here: https://www.logos.com 

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Virgil Sams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 15 2018 5:28 PM

Thank you for your response.

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 4:14 AM

The question is Why doesn't LOGOS not have it? 

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 5:25 AM

Kenute P. Curry:

The question is Why doesn't LOGOS not have it? 

For me, the question is why does the OP want it? I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, but the quality of the translation seems so poor that I'm really struggling to see the value in owning it. 

For example: 

Mat 25:46 (NASB): “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Mat 25:46 (KJV): "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Mat 25:46 (NCV): "These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever."

Mat 25:46 (Clear Word Bible): "I have no choice but to end your lives, because in my kingdom everyone cares about everyone else.’”

If you are after a more thought-for-thought paraphrase then perhaps the NCV or the NLT might serve your needs better? Just a thought :-)

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 9:08 AM

LMAM, perhaps it would appeal to someone with annihilationist views.

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 10:55 AM

EastTN:

LMAM, perhaps it would appeal to someone with annihilationist views.

Fair point, EastTN, I hadn't considered that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 12:01 PM

LMAM:
Mat 25:46 (Clear Word Bible): "I have no choice but to end your lives, because in my kingdom everyone cares about everyone else.’”

Thanks for providing a quote. The first half of the verse I can understand why the translators choose to translate the way they did though i disagree but the second half seems way off.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 1:09 PM

LMAM:
If you are after a more thought-for-thought paraphrase then perhaps the NCV or the NLT might serve your needs better? Just a thought :-)

The New Century Version Bible (NCV) (4th grade reading level), The New Living Translation (NLT) (6th grade reading level), and A Liberal Translation of the New Testament, Vols. I & II (LTNT) are dynamic (thought for thought) translations while The Living Bible (TLB) (8th grade reading level),  Cotton Patch Gospel (CPG), and The Message (Complete OT/NT) (MSG) are paraphrases.

Mt 25:46 (NCV): "These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever."

Mt 25:46 (NLT): "And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

Mt 25:46 (LTNT):  The wicked then will be sentenced to eternal death, and the good shall be adjudged to eternal life.

Mt 25:46 (TLB): “And they shall go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into everlasting life.”

Mt 25:46 (CPG): “These will take an awful beating, while the just ones will have the joy of living.”

Mt 25:46 (MSG): “Then those ‘goats’ will be herded to their eternal doom, but the ‘sheep’ to their eternal reward.”

For comparison with other Bible translations and paraphrases, would like The Clear Word Bible.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 2:23 PM

Ted Hans:

...The first half of the verse I can understand why the translators choose to translate the way they did though i disagree but the second half seems way off.

I understand why the rendering would have a certain appeal if you hold particular theological views, but I don't see how the translators/paraphrasers got there from the Greek - for either half of the verse.  It looks like this:

καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον, οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

There are two groups of people - "these" and "the righteous" - and their fates are described in ways that appear to me to be grammatically parallel:

a) οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον   ---    b) οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον

"These" go away into "κόλασιν αἰώνιον" while the "righteous" go into "ζωὴν αἰώνιον". 

That parallelism of the two groups with two fates is completely lost - as is the fact that both fates are described as "aionion"  We can argue about whether it means "eternal" or "of an age," but in either case it's used to describe not only the punishment of "these" but also the life of the "righteous."

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 3:25 PM

Virgil Sams:

Does Logos have The Clear Word Bible? If it does, how can I acquire it?

One reason is that it is not a Bible and it is not now titled a Bible by the publishers. It was called a Bible when first published but it got so much flack from academics who published by the publisher as well as others who also shared the same theological viewpoint as the "translator" did, that the publisher removed the word "Bible" from the title within months.

It is a very very loose paraphrase prepared by one minister, far to loose to be even titled a bible. It is a cross between a bible and a commentary and not a bible.

Because of that it is likely to have a very low sale and is highly unlikely to make it through the pre-pub stage. 

I personally would not touch it with the proverbial barge pole although I have similar theological views as the author of the book does.. I don't mind a straight forward  paraphrase but not this.




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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 3:39 PM

EastTN:

I understand why the rendering would have a certain appeal if you hold particular theological views, but I don't see how the translators/paraphrasers got there from the Greek - for either half of the verse.  It looks like this:

καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον, οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

There are two groups of people - "these" and "the righteous" - and their fates are described in ways that appear to me to be grammatically parallel:

a) οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον   ---    b) οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον

"These" go away into "κόλασιν αἰώνιον" while the "righteous" go into "ζωὴν αἰώνιον". 

That parallelism of the two groups with two fates is completely lost - as is the fact that both fates are described as "aionion"  We can argue about whether it means "eternal" or "of an age," but in either case it's used to describe not only the punishment of "these" but also the life of the "righteous."

Totally agreeYes

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 4:04 PM

Thank you LMAM

I really wanted to know what the Clear View Bible was all about. My favorite translation, the HCSB translates Matthew 25:46 as “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Thank you for all of the clarification everyone. 

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 16 2018 11:21 PM

Kenute P. Curry:

Thank you LMAM

You're welcome. 

Thanks to everyone who has replied. I wasn't expecting my earlier post to produce so many interesting and insightful replies. :-D

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 17 2018 5:29 AM

LMAM:
For me, the question is why does the OP want it? I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, but the quality of the translation seems so poor that I'm really struggling to see the value in owning it. 

Amazon reproduces Gn1-6.8 comparing what is contained herein to other paraphrases and the rest of my Bibles versions suggests that some merit is found with the Clear Word Bible. No translation is perfect and I support the view that for the purpose of study truth is teased out of the text by comparing and contrasting the work of various scholars.

I personally would be in favor of adding this translation to the selection of translations available in Logos format. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 17 2018 6:12 AM

JohnB:

It is a very very loose paraphrase prepared by one minister, far to loose to be even titled a bible. It is a cross between a bible and a commentary and not a bible.

Because of that it is likely to have a very low sale and is highly unlikely to make it through the pre-pub stage. 

I personally would not touch it with the proverbial barge pole although I have similar theological views as the author of the book does.. I don't mind a straight forward  paraphrase but not this.

Reading this made my day... Thank you.  I'll be sure to use "proverbial barge pole" from now on Big Smile

On a serious side note, they have bible translation committees for a reason.  One person translating the entire bible can bring many issues as we are all fallible.

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Virgil Sams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2018 4:02 AM

Thanks to all for your response and clarification. Your clarifications are valid in helping to determine whether one should venture to acquire a copy of the Clear Word.

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