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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 12:28 AM

I think it is rather humerous that the forefront ideas George mentioned are no different than a $10 Bible software (in a Literal sense), could have saved a Pretty penny :). The things of which MJ speaks , refers to the modern debate among scholars. (who's right?) There are basics that can be agreed upon generally, textually, But Doctrinally, our "Faith" has been split into so many fine hairs I am surprised that this forum has stayed as competent as it has, humbly speaking. Personally speaking, if a sound Spiritual Foundation is received at the Beginning of ones confession, it will be found to enable more of an easiness, in "weeding" through the tares of modern study. Again, the study, before the understanding, I think, breeds a Pharisee , knowing "everything", carrying "nothing". (This also includes, leaving that which was "once" understood, for that which is "new".

All of these denominational or "Faith" divisions, I believe cultivate a sense of pride. "I'm right" , in effect luring believers to follow a "Sect" of Christianity rather than Truth. All growth is continuous, whether you are doing anything or not, your habits (good or bad) are emboldening you (a subtle lurking dagger at times). So the sect that was once intriguing, being partly right will one day be the "whole truth" for you.  This will for most cause the fiery search for truth (with an edge) to quietly dull. Pitifully, leaving an empty vessel, with beautiful writing on it.

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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 12:40 AM

MJ. Smith:

Douglas:
A print copy of the original languages would have seem to have been more profitable to you altogether.

Logos makes it much easier for George to deal with the multiple versions of the "original languages". I'm sure he would be ecstatic if you could give him a print copy of the original manuscript so that all that matching / comparing / pondering was unnecessary.

 

An original is not necessary with Amazon.com.

Not, offended, but minimally touched by not just Georges' presentation, but the aura itself wherever it may present itself. (I'm right your wrong, get with it.) Instead of, offering suggestive solutions to the problem (not the Person), producing positive fulfillment in the gap of truth presented.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:01 AM

Douglas:
All of these denominational or "Faith" divisions, I believe cultivate a sense of pride. "I'm right" , in effect luring believers to follow a "Sect" of Christianity rather than Truth. All growth is continuous, whether you are doing anything or not, your habits (good or bad) are emboldening you (a subtle lurking dagger at times). So the sect that was once intriguing, being partly right will one day be the "whole truth" for you.  This will for most cause the fiery search for truth (with an edge) to quietly dull. Pitifully, leaving an empty vessel, with beautiful writing on it.

And Saturday slept late.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:57 AM

MJ. Smith:
There is a big difference between being a student of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic etc. and being an expert in the language. Some Logos users, including some on the forums, who are students mistake themselves for experts ... and Logos tools can be used to further that delusion. Yes, sometimes George goes too far in his campaign and yes, the warning applies to things other than language but Logos should come with a sign. Think of it like the warning on the passenger side rear view mirror (things may be closed than they appear) - WARNING: WITH LOGOS, YOU MAY APPEAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN YOU ACTUALLY ARE.

True. This is also true in all areas of study. There is one God and I am not Him!

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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:00 AM

George Somsel:

And Saturday slept late.

 

lol, I apologize, I am obviously less educated :)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:21 AM

alabama24:
There is one God and I am not Him!

Sexist !  Big Smile

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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:34 AM

alabama24:

MJ. Smith:
There is a big difference between being a student of Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic etc. and being an expert in the language. Some Logos users, including some on the forums, who are students mistake themselves for experts ... and Logos tools can be used to further that delusion. Yes, sometimes George goes too far in his campaign and yes, the warning applies to things other than language but Logos should come with a sign. Think of it like the warning on the passenger side rear view mirror (things may be closed than they appear) - WARNING: WITH LOGOS, YOU MAY APPEAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN YOU ACTUALLY ARE.

True, I do love your Explanation and Warning :) lol, If you put this on "UserVoice I would certainly vote for it. One thing I noticed when I first received Logos is the potential of "original Language study" to make a way for people to discover new doctrines, and become worse than just Paul vs. Apolos. My Experience is that if People understand the Morals of God (a.k.a. Ten Commandments") you can find True Doctrine in most any version, easily discerning Spiritual from carnal. Rather than surpassing our Professors in the gathering of knowledge to impress our neighbors, since pure doctrine is our highest goal (Finding out the Word to Do it).

 

True. This is also true in all areas of study. There is one God and I am not Him!

Alabama, you are one of the humbler ones :)

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 7:11 AM

I've always been a bit uncomfortable with the concept of 'trust the experts'.

When I take my car in for work, I'm entrusting it to 'the experts'. When I take my car to my local mechanic, he shakes his head sadly. Obviously my having followed the advice of 'the experts' has been a big mistake.

When I go to the doctor, one says 'hey, no problem ... this is pretty normal'. My other doctor frowns, kind of shifts her weight around, and says 'Well, .... '

When I read the original greek and then see the variation in translations, what? It's certainly not difficult to see there's a problem; just compare commentaries. My present reading of Westcott is absolutely fabulous, since he's often willing to admit, he hasn't a clue.

 But even more important, much of the logic that goes into the translations is badly flawed. They take word usage from one century, and apply it to another century (OT). They wiggle around on other similar languages (in the same century maybe??). It's not that unusual where there's actually no word comparison, so they just guess (with a note at the bottom of course: 'we guessed!!').

In the NT, one commentator bounces over to the LXX; another moves into the papyris; another jumps into the pseudepigrapha. These are all experts and all completely confident (confident they're right and the other fellow is not). Then they all gang up on Philo or Josephus, since probably among thousands of writers, that's the only 2 left.

And in this world of 'complete confidence', as with getting your car fixed, one is concerned with eternal life. A minor issue of course.

I just wish 'the experts' were periodically be up front about the significant amount of assumptions they use, and the guesswork that occurs quite often.

Interlinears for me anyway are just an automated way to 'start checking'. Prior to Logos, I didn't have any.


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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 7:47 AM

"We haven't heard that there be any 'Eternal Life'" - Oh, wait...wrong translation...Oh I found one! Wait this one says there is only annihilation if I sin, might as well enjoy the good life now, since there is not much to lose. It is so easy without a foundation to get confused. So, I start at the top. One God (namely YHWH). Then I go to his rules. The Ten Commandments. Then go go to the expression of those rules (i.e. The NT and the prophets). and Then last but certainly not least I go to the Correction if those rules are not followed (i.e. Judgements of Israel and those of the NT that were corrected). If this were not enough due to my failings in grasping so far, I go to the restoration of forgiveness if I mess up :) (not excluding the fact that it starts with Jesus b/c of Adam.)

 

If a person is to find "another God" his rules will certainly bring discontentment of the inner parts, and if one is able through self delusion to avoid this, his victory will without fail be limited due to the True God's laws. I have found (both in Scripture and life) that problems found in life do not necessarily identify a problem with your faith, but if you are "Moved" by them your problem is self evident. (might be trivial for this convo.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:19 PM

Denise Barnhart:
Interlinears for me anyway are just an automated way to 'start checking'.

My personal opinion is that some Greek and Hebrew (and historical linguistics) is useful so that one can follow the scholars' arguments ... which is far different than engaging in the argument. And, yes, you can make educated (if not necessarily correct) decisions as to which scholar makes the most sense. Logos is very useful for this.

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 2:00 PM

I'll add my voice to this discussion by stating that I would love to see a NET Bible reverse interlinear too.

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Douglas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:38 PM

Daniel Radke:

I'll add my voice to this discussion by stating that I would love to see a NET Bible reverse interlinear too.

 

Yes Yes  :)

 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 1:24 AM

MJ. Smith:

Denise Barnhart:
Interlinears for me anyway are just an automated way to 'start checking'.

My personal opinion is that some Greek and Hebrew (and historical linguistics) is useful so that one can follow the scholars' arguments ... which is far different than engaging in the argument. And, yes, you can make educated (if not necessarily correct) decisions as to which scholar makes the most sense. Logos is very useful for this.

Yes

Bohuslav

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2011 1:28 AM

Daniel Radke:

I'll add my voice to this discussion by stating that I would love to see a NET Bible reverse interlinear too.

Yes, I second that Yes

P.S. Of course I agree with both George and MJ warning. Keeping that in mind RI can be a good starter to get to the Word Study etc.

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Peter Keay | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2012 3:21 PM

Big +1 here.

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 24 2014 5:28 AM

I'd like to bring this up to our attention again. Looking at this forum entry there are a number of people that wait for the NET reverse interlinear of the OT and the NT. This forum goes back a few years already. I too would love to have it. And I have learned if we don't voice it we will not get it!

Does anybody know whether this request is on logos.uservoice.com? If so could you provide the link here so we can vote?

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 8 2016 7:26 AM

Rich DeRuiter:

You may be interested to know that the Lexham English Bible (a Logos project) is being headed up by one of the key people on the NET project. I know it's not the NET, but the LEB is a very literal translation that is a great Bible for study.

I agree. The LEB is a solid translation. I have enjoyed getting to know it better over the last couple years. 

Rich DeRuiter:

But I do agree that an NET rev int would be a great addition to the list of other rev ints.

I concur! Would love to see a NET RI....the NET is a very solid trans. as well; it was the first trans. that I really dug into when I became a Christian. I stumbled upon it on Bible.org. 

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Caleb S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 10 2016 12:18 PM

I also would like to see a Reverse Interlinear for the NET Bible. It would be useful for comparing translations using the new Text Comparison tool, as well as in the Exegetical Guide, et. al.

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