Ability to "tap" for page change while in Scroll View

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 15 2018 8:38 AM

Mark Barnes:

Rick Ausdahl:
Does the two-finger scroll move a line at a time (rather than a pixel at a time) only when not in Scroll View?  I ask because it's buttery smooth when in scroll view, same as one-finger scrolling.

There isn't a two-finger scroll in scroll view. (Two-finger scrolling works, but in that view it performs exactly the same operation as one-finger scrolling.)

Rick Ausdahl:
But either way, if it does move one "line" at a time when not in scroll view, shouldn't it only "jump" one line at a time?  For me, it jumps far more than a single line at a time.  Worse yet, it doesn't seem consistent in how far it jumps no matter how slowly I try to scroll.  Once I move away from a place in the text , I have a very difficult time getting back to it because the scrolling movement/distance is so erratic.

I don't experience this on iOS unless I have inline footnotes turned on. As footnotes appear or disappear from the screen, the text can jump about a bit. I don't think that's avoidable. But if you experience this with footnotes turned off, then perhaps that's an Android bug. Maybe someone else with an Android device can comment. (Like alabama24, I stopped using my Kindle Fire because it was simply too slow.)

Thank you again, Mark.  I checked the footnotes setting but that option is off (and greyed out).

Speed has never been an issue for me on my Kindle Fire devices because all I use them for is reading my Logos resources, highlighting, and adding occasional notes.  In fact, I often only have one tab open, and very rarely do I have occasion to have more than two tabs open.  I always use my laptop when doing any kind of a study.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 15 2018 8:41 AM

Fr Devin Roza:

I have an iOS and Android. On iOS, two finger scrolling works well enough. On Android, even on a high performance device  it is a total disaster. Instead of scrolling on pixel  at a time, or even one line, it scrolls in an entirely erratic fashion, something along the lines of one page at a time, so that you completely lose your place.

Devin, thank you so much for clarifying the problem exists even on a high performance Android device.

FAITHLIFE … would you please comment?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 16 2018 1:45 PM

Rick Ausdahl:

Fr Devin Roza:

I have an iOS and Android. On iOS, two finger scrolling works well enough. On Android, even on a high performance device  it is a total disaster. Instead of scrolling on pixel  at a time, or even one line, it scrolls in an entirely erratic fashion, something along the lines of one page at a time, so that you completely lose your place.

Devin, thank you so much for clarifying the problem exists even on a high performance Android device.

I have a good-performing Galaxy A5 (2017) and the two finger scroll is erratic. But scrolling a version 5.16 Vyrso app on the same device is predictable; one line at a time! The one finger scroll on both apps is smooth.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 16 2018 5:00 PM

Dave Hooton:

Rick Ausdahl:

Fr Devin Roza:

I have an iOS and Android. On iOS, two finger scrolling works well enough. On Android, even on a high performance device  it is a total disaster. Instead of scrolling on pixel  at a time, or even one line, it scrolls in an entirely erratic fashion, something along the lines of one page at a time, so that you completely lose your place.

Devin, thank you so much for clarifying the problem exists even on a high performance Android device.

I have a good-performing Galaxy A5 (2017) and the two finger scroll is erratic. But scrolling a version 5.16 Vyrso app on the same device is predictable; one line at a time! The one finger scroll on both apps is smooth.

The Vyrso app (or I guess I should call it by it's new name, the "Faithlife Ebooks" app) was another dead-end for me.

According to the Faithlife Web site, the app WILL work on the Kindle Fire and there is a link there for it on the web site which took me to Amazon's web site for the app.  But once there, Amazon's web site for the app says it is NOT compatible with either my old 8.9" or my new 8" inch device.  I thought maybe it was a documentation glitch so I tried installing it anyway, but it wouldn't install.  Really?  It won't install on either an old device OR a new one?  Why provide a link for it on the Faithlife Ebooks web site?  Tongue TiedTongue TiedTongue Tied   Very frustrating.

The Faithlife web site with the link for the Kindle Fire download is https://ebooks.faithlife.com/download 

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 16 2018 6:10 PM

More confirmation that it's a general Android problem, not a Kindle Fire problem.  I downloaded both the Bible app and the Faithlife Ebook app to my Android LG ThinQ G7 phone and both apps display the same two-finger scrolling problem that's been discussed above.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 16 2018 7:14 PM

Rick Ausdahl:
The Vyrso app (or I guess I should call it by it's new name, the "Faithlife Ebooks" app) was another dead-end for me.

I keep the old Vyrso app because of various issues with the new v6 apps (I have the Bible app) e.g. scrolling, searching. It's my baseline for knowing where v6 has failed; despite its useful new features. I didn't intend that you should try to install it!

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 16 2018 10:44 PM

The 2 finger scroll on Android use to work properly. The current behavior is a bug.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 17 2018 5:07 AM

Dave Hooton:

Rick Ausdahl:
The Vyrso app (or I guess I should call it by it's new name, the "Faithlife Ebooks" app) was another dead-end for me.

I keep the old Vyrso app because of various issues with the new v6 apps (I have the Bible app) e.g. scrolling, searching. It's my baseline for knowing where v6 has failed; despite its useful new features. I didn't intend that you should try to install it!

It's certainly no fault of yours that it wouldn't install, Dave.  I apologize if my post gave the impression I was suggesting that.  It's a Faithlife issue all the way.

The truth is I'm glad you mentioned Vyrso because I never even think about that app seeing as how the Faithlife ebooks can be read in both Logos and the Bible app.  The fact is, even though the Faithlife Ebook app wouldn't install on the Kindle Fires (contrary to Faithlife's web site), it installed fine on my Android phone, so being able to try both it and the Bible app on my phone and having the same scrolling problem there with both apps, just confirmed for me that the two-finger scrolling problem is an issue with the apps, not a problem with my Kindle devices. 

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HI Rick, 

I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience with this. It seems like the ultimate solution here is to allow highlighting across multiple pages while in paging mode. That's something that's on our roadmap. 

The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from, since it's not really discoverable and isn't a common mobile convention in e-readers. 

You mentioned that you like other apps that allow you to page while in a scrolling view. Which apps do you think do a good job of that? 

Thanks for sharing, and I hope we can move towards a solution that works for you. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 18 2018 11:08 AM

Daniel Di Bartolo:
The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from

Please don't! It is a useful feature. 

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 18 2018 12:05 PM

Daniel Di Bartolo:
The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from, since it's not really discoverable and isn't a common mobile convention in e-readers. 

I second JT on this. Please don't remove it. It is a useful feature.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 18 2018 12:58 PM

Daniel Di Bartolo:

HI Rick, 

I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience with this. It seems like the ultimate solution here is to allow highlighting across multiple pages while in paging mode. That's something that's on our roadmap. 

The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from, since it's not really discoverable and isn't a common mobile convention in e-readers. 

That's fantastic news, Daniel. Thank you. Highlighting across multiple pages while in paging mode is something I have often wanted to do, and it is in fact a better solution than two-finger scrolling (as multiple page highlighting allows you to highlight more than one whole page if needed). I often use highlighting across multiple pages in Kindle, and have been very happy with the experience.

Daniel Di Bartolo:

You mentioned that you like other apps that allow you to page while in a scrolling view. Which apps do you think do a good job of that? 

Thanks for sharing, and I hope we can move towards a solution that works for you. 

Thanks for considering this possibility. One app that I have used that does a great job with this is Moon+ Reader, one of the most popular Android reading apps (10 million+ installs). It works this way by default.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 19 2018 3:19 AM

Daniel Di Bartolo:
The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from, since it's not really discoverable and isn't a common mobile convention in e-readers. 

Well, it was "discoverable" on v5 mobile apps (probably earlier) and useful for fine adjusting position e.g. to start of a chapter, pericope, etc. Degrading it in v6 has brought forth this response.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 19 2018 8:03 AM

JT (alabama24):
Please don't! It is a useful feature. 

Yes! I use it every time I'm reading on my iPad. It's one thing that make the app better as a reader app than the Kindle app (and there aren't many such things).

Thanks,

Donnie

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 19 2018 8:14 AM

Daniel Di Bartolo:

HI Rick, 

I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience with this. It seems like the ultimate solution here is to allow highlighting across multiple pages while in paging mode. That's something that's on our roadmap. 

The two-fingered scrolling feature is something that we might move away from, since it's not really discoverable and isn't a common mobile convention in e-readers. 

You mentioned that you like other apps that allow you to page while in a scrolling view. Which apps do you think do a good job of that? 

Thanks for sharing, and I hope we can move towards a solution that works for you. 

Hi, Daniel!  Thank you for responding.

Yes, I agree that highlighting across multiple pages while in paging mode is an important feature.  But it would be equally important while in scroll view.  It doesn't currently work on my Kindle in either mode.

As far as two-finger scrolling goes, I'm not at all hung up on using two fingers for scrolling.  For me, the goal is simply allowing both page-turning (with a tap in the margin) and scrolling (whether with one finger or two) at the same time. Why does it have to be an either/or situation?  Doing full page turns is fine much of the time when reading, but there are times when it's helpful to be able to scroll back a few lines or paragraphs so you can see a particular section of text all on a single screen.

Regarding other apps that allow both page turns and scrolling, I have to confess it's been so long since I've used anything other than the Bible app that I couldn't remember the app names.  Thankfully, Devin helped jog my memory for one app with his mention of Moon+Reader.  I haven't used it in a long, long time, but as I recall, it had arrows you could tap for full page turns but it also allowed for scrolling (one-finger if I recall).  There was another app I used for epub books, but I can't remember the name.  For the last several years, all my reading has been of Logos resources.  It's just be too long since I've used anything other than the Logos desktop app or the Android Bible app for my reading. 

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Roy Kosin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 1 2018 4:32 AM

Please bring 2 finger scrolling for Android back (or fix it so it works correctly). It really seems insensitive to customer needs to remove a feature (or allow a bug to cause it to not work), suggest it will be fixed, not fix it, and all the while it works great on another platform (ipad). I just want it to work the way it used to. 

It might seem strange and unrelated (but I think it is) but I don't use Logos on my Android for teaching or preaching any more because I don't ever know what the page is going to look like (what is at the top) and I can't get it back easily. I have even used Olive Tree for this because of its "Move to Top" feature so that when I look at the page it looks the same (eye-mind memory that I miss with a paper Bible). Probably no one else cars about this. 

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