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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 9 2019 1:29 PM

Adam Olean:

Hi, Landon. I would seriously consider Biblical Language Center's Live Video Classes. You won't regret it. There's a special discount for a husband and wife (or any other two from the same household) taking classes together. You can also get a discount from former students. Feel free to send me a private message via faithlife.com. (As an aside, I've greatly appreciated and benefited from James White's ministry as well!)

Here are some of my related posts for whatever they're worth:

http://ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30940&sid=3c1251fdcd99dd3a03376cd44492b6a6#p30934 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/151448/927046.aspx#927046 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/152646/930616.aspx#930616 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76863/929148.aspx#929148 

May God bless you and your wife in your studies! It'd be awesome to learn together.

I still couldn't recommend BLC's Live Video Classes more highly, despite my prior and growing experience with Biblical and Modern Hebrew. I'm just about to take a third semester with them. If they had offered these classes when I started Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew, I would have begun with them in a heartbeat!

Here's a List of Hebrew Resources that some might find useful. It's a selective, collaborative list that I'm gradually working on with some other advanced students and instructors of both Biblical and Modern Hebrew.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 12:53 AM

For what it‘s worth, as someone currently taking Greek II (obviously already had Greek I) & Hebrew I, I have found it true that Greek tends to get more difficult as you go along (think participles & infinitives 😡!) - while, as Dr. Van Pelt himself said in his class - Hebrew loads you down w. the difficult stuff at the beginning & tends to smooth out as you progress in the language.

The Hebrew vowel pointings, syllabification, plural (propretonic) reductions, etc. takes a while to sink in (well, it did for me at least).  But, there is nothing like when you finally begin to recognize words, forms, etc.  I have my NA27 in the pulpit of the church I pastor & love using it when someone else is preaching to try and follow along w. their selcted text (I do have NA28 & UBS-5 in software).  I had a lay preacher preach for me Sunday and I was able to translate & recognize most of his text right out of the Greek.

As an aside, I will be the odd man out and say that I have not at all been as persuaded by James White’s argumentation (I have actually interacted w. him quite extensively as my blog in my signature line demonstrates).  I do like his work in the discipline of KJVO & text criticism though (I have only had a beginners course in textual criticism).

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 1:07 AM

Adam Olean:

Adam Olean:

Hi, Landon. I would seriously consider Biblical Language Center's Live Video Classes. You won't regret it. There's a special discount for a husband and wife (or any other two from the same household) taking classes together. You can also get a discount from former students. Feel free to send me a private message via faithlife.com. (As an aside, I've greatly appreciated and benefited from James White's ministry as well!)

Here are some of my related posts for whatever they're worth:

http://ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30940&sid=3c1251fdcd99dd3a03376cd44492b6a6#p30934 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/151448/927046.aspx#927046 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/152646/930616.aspx#930616 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76863/929148.aspx#929148 

May God bless you and your wife in your studies! It'd be awesome to learn together.

I still couldn't recommend BLC's Live Video Classes more highly, despite my prior and growing experience with Biblical and Modern Hebrew. I'm just about to take a third semester with them. If they had offered these classes when I started Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew, I would have begun with them in a heartbeat!

Here's a List of Hebrew Resources that some might find useful. It's a selective, collaborative list that I'm gradually working on with some other advanced students and instructors of both Biblical and Modern Hebrew.

I am currently taking Van Pelt’s Hebrew class.  Love it!  

BTW, Dr. Maury Robertson also offers classes online:  https://greekforeveryone.com/author/admin/

Dr. Robertson’s courses are only $8.00/Mo. and he is always available for difficult spots via either telephone or email.  He ALWAYS responds w.in a day or two (95% of the time it’s the next day).  His course is equivalent to one years worth of university morphology (you get a completion certificate stating so at the end).  He also has Greek II courses for the same amount.  

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 3:23 AM

Hi Beloved:

With respect to your recommendations, are there parallel resources that can be used in the following?:

https://www.logos.com/product/9438/amg-bible-essentials

I ask because the exact title for the first resource is found in Kindle, but not in Logos.

How about:

https://www.logos.com/product/62010/new-testament-words

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 5:11 AM

Hi Pudding:

You seem to me like someone that can do some innovative studies. So in that line consider the following:

Use some resources that use English grammar to facilitate learning of Koine like the ones in:

https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=English+grammar+for+greek

Then compare to other grammars in different languages to facilitate the understanding of commonalities and differences...

English grammar (base)______  Latin n Spanish grammar comparison to En base______  Koine Greek____ Biblical Hebrew_____ German.

So there could be a chance to see the commonalities of all (if exist), the main differences, and then have some theological considerations within some.

The final objective is to have a reading capability in them languages.

English: largest library available in L8.

Spanish: For those of us that master it, is an easier way to learn Koine Greek.

Koine Greek: NT obviously.

Latin: much of early theology was developed in that language. It is supposed to be a referent for the development of English and Spanish.

Hebrew: Understand Yahweh as one by study of OT theology n prophecy like in Zec 14:9.

German: Many good articles on theology, Biblical studies, etc. are in German and not translated.

The above languages can be put to good use in L8 and aid in research. Problem passages and concepts can then be studied from different angles for  comparison.

Just an idea for you to consider.

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 9:56 AM

Puddin’:

Adam Olean:

Adam Olean:

Hi, Landon. I would seriously consider Biblical Language Center's Live Video Classes. You won't regret it. There's a special discount for a husband and wife (or any other two from the same household) taking classes together. You can also get a discount from former students. Feel free to send me a private message via faithlife.com. (As an aside, I've greatly appreciated and benefited from James White's ministry as well!)

Here are some of my related posts for whatever they're worth:

http://ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30940&sid=3c1251fdcd99dd3a03376cd44492b6a6#p30934 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/151448/927046.aspx#927046 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/152646/930616.aspx#930616 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76863/929148.aspx#929148 

May God bless you and your wife in your studies! It'd be awesome to learn together.

I still couldn't recommend BLC's Live Video Classes more highly, despite my prior and growing experience with Biblical and Modern Hebrew. I'm just about to take a third semester with them. If they had offered these classes when I started Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew, I would have begun with them in a heartbeat!

Here's a List of Hebrew Resources that some might find useful. It's a selective, collaborative list that I'm gradually working on with some other advanced students and instructors of both Biblical and Modern Hebrew.

I am currently taking Van Pelt’s Hebrew class.  Love it!  

BTW, Dr. Maury Robertson also offers classes online:  https://greekforeveryone.com/author/admin/

Dr. Robertson’s courses are only $8.00/Mo. and he is always available for difficult spots via either telephone or email.  He ALWAYS responds w.in a day or two (95% of the time it’s the next day).  His course is equivalent to one years worth of university morphology (you get a completion certificate stating so at the end).  He also has Greek II courses for the same amount.  

Good to know! I'm glad to hear those classes are working out so well for you. Even as someone who often prefers studying on my own, I recognize that a good instructor can definitely be a boon. Likewise, with good classmates!

BLC's Live Video Classes are different from most in that 90–95%+ of class time is spent in the target language: listening, speaking, reading, communicating/dialoguing, and playing in the language. The first part of Living Biblical Hebrew includes video-picture lessons, in which you absorb Hebrew as Hebrew (or Greek as Greek), not just learning about a language that you don't actually know or haven't begun internalizing as a second-language. They begin immediately with words, phrases, and full sentences that develop eventually into short stories. The picture lessons transition from watching, listening, and speaking to passively and actively reading, as text is added alongside the pictures and audio. As a translator and linguist with several decades of experience, Buth's materials offer plenty for those who want to sink their teeth into the finer points of grammar and translation—along with so many other aspects of the languages (literary, discourse/text linguistics, phonology, etc.). They prioritize internalizing the language, however, through second-language acquisition techniques and processes. It's a lot of fun too, oftentimes like going back and being a kid again playing in the language!

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2019 1:51 PM

Hamilton Ramos:

Hi Beloved:

With respect to your recommendations, are there parallel resources that can be used in the following?:

https://www.logos.com/product/9438/amg-bible-essentials

I ask because the exact title for the first resource is found in Kindle, but not in Logos.

How about:

https://www.logos.com/product/62010/new-testament-words

Hi Hamilton!

I hope I don't muddle your meaning. AMG is the publisher of the Key Word Study Bible as far as I know it is only available in paper format. However, as you have discovered Spiros is the author of two lexical aids that key off of Strong's numbers for both Hebrew and Greek and work in parallel with many other lexical resources available in Logos format.

If you desire to stay with resources available in Logos format the AMG bundle is a terrific buy. I own it and used it a great deal early on. I now, however, prefer BDB, DBL, and HALOT for Hebrew and BDAG and Louw Nida for Greek. As far as  New Testament Words, I'm unfamiliar with it so I can give you no opinion on it. 

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 1:38 AM

Adam Olean:

Puddin’:

Adam Olean:

Adam Olean:

Hi, Landon. I would seriously consider Biblical Language Center's Live Video Classes. You won't regret it. There's a special discount for a husband and wife (or any other two from the same household) taking classes together. You can also get a discount from former students. Feel free to send me a private message via faithlife.com. (As an aside, I've greatly appreciated and benefited from James White's ministry as well!)

Here are some of my related posts for whatever they're worth:

http://ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30940&sid=3c1251fdcd99dd3a03376cd44492b6a6#p30934 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/151448/927046.aspx#927046 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/152646/930616.aspx#930616 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76863/929148.aspx#929148 

May God bless you and your wife in your studies! It'd be awesome to learn together.

I still couldn't recommend BLC's Live Video Classes more highly, despite my prior and growing experience with Biblical and Modern Hebrew. I'm just about to take a third semester with them. If they had offered these classes when I started Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew, I would have begun with them in a heartbeat!

Here's a List of Hebrew Resources that some might find useful. It's a selective, collaborative list that I'm gradually working on with some other advanced students and instructors of both Biblical and Modern Hebrew.

I am currently taking Van Pelt’s Hebrew class.  Love it!  

BTW, Dr. Maury Robertson also offers classes online:  https://greekforeveryone.com/author/admin/

Dr. Robertson’s courses are only $8.00/Mo. and he is always available for difficult spots via either telephone or email.  He ALWAYS responds w.in a day or two (95% of the time it’s the next day).  His course is equivalent to one years worth of university morphology (you get a completion certificate stating so at the end).  He also has Greek II courses for the same amount.  

Good to know! I'm glad to hear those classes are working out so well for you. Even as someone who often prefers studying on my own, I recognize that a good instructor can definitely be a boon. Likewise, with good classmates!

BLC's Live Video Classes are different from most in that 90–95%+ of class time is spent in the target language: listening, speaking, reading, communicating/dialoguing, and playing in the language. The first part of Living Biblical Hebrew includes video-picture lessons, in which you absorb Hebrew as Hebrew (or Greek as Greek), not just learning about a language that you don't actually know or haven't begun internalizing as a second-language. They begin immediately with words, phrases, and full sentences that develop eventually into short stories. The picture lessons transition from watching, listening, and speaking to passively and actively reading, as text is added alongside the pictures and audio. As a translator and linguist with several decades of experience, Buth's materials offer plenty for those who want to sink their teeth into the finer points of grammar and translation—along with so many other aspects of the languages (literary, discourse/text linguistics, phonology, etc.). They prioritize internalizing the language, however, through second-language acquisition techniques and processes. It's a lot of fun too, oftentimes like going back and being a kid again playing in the language!

I have looked into Buth’s courses, but have already made much headway in the courses I have been taking.  My aim is to complete these courses, then probably spring for Buth’s courses to further cement the experience.  I even looked into the immersion courses in Greece & Jerusalem (although they are extremely spendy).  Excellent review above 👍.  Will reread this several times.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 2:00 AM

Hamilton Ramos:

Hi Pudding:

You seem to me like someone that can do some innovative studies. So in that line consider the following:

Use some resources that use English grammar to facilitate learning of Koine like the ones in:

https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=English+grammar+for+greek

Then compare to other grammars in different languages to facilitate the understanding of commonalities and differences...

English grammar (base)______  Latin n Spanish grammar comparison to En base______  Koine Greek____ Biblical Hebrew_____ German.

So there could be a chance to see the commonalities of all (if exist), the main differences, and then have some theological considerations within some.

The final objective is to have a reading capability in them languages.

English: largest library available in L8.

Spanish: For those of us that master it, is an easier way to learn Koine Greek.

Koine Greek: NT obviously.

Latin: much of early theology was developed in that language. It is supposed to be a referent for the development of English and Spanish.

Hebrew: Understand Yahweh as one by study of OT theology n prophecy like in Zec 14:9.

German: Many good articles on theology, Biblical studies, etc. are in German and not translated.

The above languages can be put to good use in L8 and aid in research. Problem passages and concepts can then be studied from different angles for  comparison.

Just an idea for you to consider.

Good points.  I esp. like the link you provided above.  However, I do wonder what else those sources would bring to the table since I already have:

Dana & Mantey; Wallace’s GGBB; Mounce’s BBG (both the book and video), Blass, Debrunner, Funk’s Grammar; A.T. Robertson’s Large Grammar & Word Pictures, Grimm-Thayer (I know it’s antiquated), Diesmann’s Grammar; Moulton & Milligan, literally volumes upon volumes of exegetical commentaries (e.g., NICGT), BDAG (& BAGD), HALOT, numerous Hebrew grammars, an entire GNT sentence diagram, two entire HOT (Hebrew OT) trees, NIDNTTE, NIDOTTE, UBS-5, NA28 (&27) w. Critical Apparatus‘s, Classes on Text Criticism, LXX parsed, BHS parsed, BDB Lexicon, NET w. notes, Metzger’s Textual Commentary, Louw-Nida, Wuest, Waltke, UBS OT & NT Handbooks, EDNT, Scrivner’s TR (🙄), Constantine Campbell’s works on verbal aspect and recent Greek Advances in the NT, ALGNT, a Greek professor on monthly pay for when I get stuck....Well, I think you get the picture (have tons more).

So, I guess I am just asking if there is any benefit to continue acquiring grammars, etc.?  The only other work I want right now is the CNTTS (that I keep waiting to drop in price).  I am really excited over what they are doing right now in Muenster, Germany w. CBGM NT apparatus, but it will decades before completion as I understand it.

Thanks much for these suggestions!  

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