A20 How do I open all my fav Greek lexicons to a specific word?

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 20 2010 5:07 PM

Back in the Dark Ages when I used Libronix 3, I could double-click a Greek word in the NA27 Interlinear and it would automatically look up that word in my 4 favorite Greek lexicons.  Can this be done in the New World Order known as A20?  If this feature is NYI (Not Yet Implemented), what's the fastest workaround that you have found?

TIA!

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 2:48 PM

James:

If you prioritize your favorite Greek Lexicon  it should be the one used for Greek definitions when double clicking. You can stack a few lexicons in the prioritization window and if you want to use another lexicon when you right-click on the word you can chose a different lexicon you have prioritized. 

 

 

 

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 5:21 PM

Perhaps another option could be added to that second menu, so when it comes up after right-clicking, it could say "open the top 5 resources listed"

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 6:44 PM

Tommy Ball:
If you prioritize your favorite Greek Lexicon  it should be the one used for Greek definitions when double clicking. You can stack a few lexicons in the prioritization window and if you want to use another lexicon when you right-click on the word you can chose a different lexicon you have prioritized. 

Thanks for taking the time to explain this, and I'm already doing this.  :-)  It works, but unfortunately, it only opens 1 lexicon at a time.  To see my fav 4 lexicons, I have to select all 4.  One at a time.  Every time.  For every word I study.  :-(  

In Libronix 3 you could set how many lexicons you wanted open from your prioritized list.  Any chance something similar could be implemented here?

TIA.

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 6:47 PM

Ben:
Perhaps another option could be added to that second menu, so when it comes up after right-clicking, it could say "open the top 5 resources listed"

Good idea.  But in Libronix 3, you could set the number for each data type.  Open top 5 for Greek lexicons, open top 2 for Hebrew lexicons, open top 4 for Strong's numbers, etc.  Hopefully this sort of functionality will show up in L4.  (And maybe it already exists on the PC version; I don't know.)

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Chuck Lindsey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 7:04 PM

I have all my favorite lexicons open and just link them all together through keylinking. Works great. Click one word and they all go to that entry. Is this what your trying to do?

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 9:42 PM

Chuck Lindsey:
I have all my favorite lexicons open and just link them all together through keylinking

Good idea, Chuck.  I guess that will have to be close enough for now.  Thx.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 9:43 PM

I don't know where the status on the Mac, but in Logos 4 you can right-click on the word and do a "Power Lookup" on the lemma, from the context menu. (The Power Lookup pane is on the Tools menu.) This will generate a summary of all the top lexicon entries for this word, with direct links to the article.

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 9:54 PM

Bob Pritchett:
This will generate a summary of all the top lexicon entries for this word

Another good idea.  Thanks, Bob.  Unfortunately, the summary only uses one lexicon, even though I have 5 prioritized.  How do I get Power Lookup to use all of them?  Or maybe A20's just not there yet?

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 10:37 PM

James, I don't think this will work exactly the same as in L3, but there will be a way to do this in L4mac.  Let me show you what we have and then what will be coming soon.

For now, similar to what Bob suggested, right click on the word you want to study and open up a new tab as I show below.  This will show your #! Prioritized Lexicon.

To access your other Lexicons, you can utilize Parallel resources.  It is not accessible in the Alpha yet, but soon there will be a little button right here....

Basically, you can click this button (when it is there) to quickly open your next Lexical resource.

You can find detailed instructions on how this will work on the Wiki

http://wiki.logos.com/Parallel_Resources

What are Parallel Resources?

  • Parallel Resources are those resources which are indexed similarly.
    Bibles – different Bible versions are considered parallel resources.
    Dictionaries – different dictionaries are considered parallel resources.
    Commentaries – different commentaries are considered parallel resources.
  • Parallel Resources allow you to quickly change the resource in the current tab to that of another resource using the same reference (e.g. same Bible verse).
  • Parallel Resources described here were added to Logos4 version 4.0b.
  • When Parallel Resources are available for a resource you will notice the icon  in the resource’s toolbar.
  • Parallel Resources will always have the default column All Parallel Resources.
    It can have an additional column for a Collections (see Collections & Parallel Resources).
  • Not all books will have Parallel Resources.
    • Books which don’t have a Reference box (e.g. ALONE WITH GOD)
    • Books which have only page numbers in the reference box.

 

How to I open Parallel Resources?

  • Open a resource (book) which has the icon 
  1. Click on the Parallel Resource icon 
  2. Notice the drop down Parallel Resource menu. (you may see another column for collections, see Collections & Parallel Resources)
  3. A list of parallel resources are present in the menu. Notice that one of them has an orange bar next to it. This is the currently opened resource.


  4. Click on one of the resources in the list. It will change to that resource in your tab.

 

Collections & Parallel Resources

How do I get a Collection to appear in Parallel Resources?

  • You will need to setup your Collections prior to using them in Parallel Resources. (see Collections)
  1. Click on Tools in the top menu.
  2. Click on Collections in the drop down menu.



    • Logos4 will open a tab for Collections.
  3. Click on the Open button in Collections toolbar and open the collection that you want to tag for use in Parallel Resources. (see Opening Collections)
  4. Click on the checkbox.
    When the box is checked this collections is used with Parallel Resources.
    When the box is unchecked this collection is not used with Parallel Resources.


  5. Repeat steps 4 & 5 to enable/disable any Collections which you want to use with Parallel Resources.
  • As mentioned above, you can use this same process to disable Collections from being used with Parallel Resources.
  • Note that Parallel Resources will only use your collection if it has books in it which are similar.
    • For instance, if you have Bibles in your collection and the resource you are trying to view Parallel Resources with is a Bible, then you should see that Collection.
    • So not every Collection that you have enabled shows up in every resource. Only those with similar resources present.
    • See also Why don’t I see my Collection in Parallel Resources?

 

Why don’t I see my Collection in Parallel Resources?

  • Make sure that you have your Collection tagged to be used with Parallel Resources. (see How do I get a Collection to appear in Parallel Resources?)
  • Your entry in the reference box may not be found in any of your resources for that Collection.
    The Reference box is where you enter text for navigating that resource (see image below)



    • Try changing the value in your reference box
      • If its a Bible, change the passage to something very general like John 1:1 or Gen 1:1.
      • If its a dictionary, change the word in it to something very general which should show up in most dictionaries.
      • Etc..
  • Is the value in the reference box a page number?
    Then you will need to change the Visual Filter.
    a) Click on the Visual Filter icon (the 3 circle thingy).
    b) Uncheck the Show Page Number entry.
    c) You may also need to type a usable reference in the reference box (i.e. Bible verse, dictionary word, etc).
  • The resource that you are currently in must be in the collection for that collection to appear in the Parallel Resource drop down menu.
    Example



    a) If Tyndale Dictionary is missing from my collection Dictionaries,
    b) Then the collection Dictionaries will not show up in Parallel Resources drop down menu.

    (the image below shows the absence of Tyndale Dictionary in my collection Dictionaries)



  • Check your Collection and make sure that books in it are similar to the resource.
    • If you are in a Bible, then make sure that Bibles which cover the same passage range are in your Collection.
    • If you are in a Dictionary, then make sure that other dictionaries are in your Collection.
    • You get the idea, make sure your Collection has similar books to that of the resource.
  • If you have more than one Collection which applies to this resource, you may need to change the Parallel Resource page. (see later part of What shows up in the Parallel Resources?)


What shows up in the Parallel Resources?

  • Resources which are indexed similarly to the current resource.
  • Parallel resources which match the reference in your reference box.
    • All parallel resource may not have a match (e.g. all dictionaries may not have an entry for Ark of the Covenant). So those which don’t will be missing in the list.


  • A Collection which has books that are considered parallel resources.

 

I don’t see the Parallel Resources icon

  • If your resource’s window is too small the icon will not show up.



    • Try making your resource’s window larger until your see the Parallel Resource icon.


  • Do you have Logos4 version 4.0b or higher?
    • If you don’t you will not see this feature.
    • Consider updating your Logos4. go to the forum here
  • Make sure that you have a valid reference in the reference box.
    • (e.g. page number, even if you have Show Page Numbers off in Visual Filters.)
      a) Notice that a page number is showing in the reference box.
      b) Notice that the Parallel Resource icon is missing.



      c) Notice that there is a valid reference in the reference box.
      d) Notice that the Parallel Resources icon is present now.



  • Not all books will have Parallel Resources.
    • Books which don’t have a Reference box (e.g. ALONE WITH GOD)
    • Books which have only page numbers in the reference box.

 

What is the order of Books in Parallel Resources?

  • The ordering of Books that you see in the Parallel Resources drop down menu appear as follows
    • First they follow the order that you have set in your Library’s prioritization. (see Library Prioritizing)
    • Secondly they appear only if a match to what was in your reference box was found in that resource.
    • Thirdly in the All Parallel Resources column will have other resources which you may not have prioritized.
  • Example
    • This is my current Prioritized list for commentaries


    • The Parallel Resource list that shows (when over the BKC for Matt 10:5-15)



      • In the All Parallel Resources column:
        • Notice that the order is the same as that of my Prioritized list.
        • Notice that it skipped over the Old Testament Survey series (since Matthew is NT)
      • In the Verse Commentaries column (this is one of my collections):
        • Notice that the book again follow my Prioritized list.
        • Since you cannot see what’s in that Collection, you cannot see that it also jumped over books in which Matt 10:5-15 was not found.

 

Tip: you can use the keyboard to navigate the Parallel Resources

  • In an active window which supports Parallel Resources (you need to also click in the text/viewing area of this window, not on the toolbar)
    • You can use the Left/Right arrows on your keyboard to sequence through the books in your Parallel Resources.
    • Once that you have passed the last book, it will start at the beginning of the list.
  • If you have a Collection tagged for use with this resource:
    • You can tag which Parallel Resource Column to use with your keyboard sequence.
      a) First click on the Parallel Resource icon.
      b) Then click on the column to use.
      (Notice the Checkmark over the column. This tells Logos which Parallel Resource source to use with the keyboard)


 

Tip: quick way to sequence through PR’s that you’ve viewed

  • If you have used Parallel Resources to change one or more different resources:
    • You can use the History arrows to sequence back and forth through those resources.


    • This can save you some time if you selected resources which were not in sequential order in your Parallel Resource list.
    • The bad news is that if you have scrolled or changed locations in the resource, then it will methodically sequence through those too.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 10:42 PM

James Garriss:

Bob Pritchett:
This will generate a summary of all the top lexicon entries for this word

Another good idea.  Thanks, Bob.  Unfortunately, the summary only uses one lexicon, even though I have 5 prioritized.  How do I get Power Lookup to use all of them?  Or maybe A20's just not there yet?

I tested out Bob's suggestion and it does bring up all the Lexical entries which is very fast and easy. 

 

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James Garriss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 21 2010 10:42 PM

Thx, Joe.  I shall be patient.

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