Introducing the New Logos Notes

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018 9:07 PM

We’ve been building a brand new notes system, and after beta testing it with hundreds of users for most of the year we’re excited to share it with you as part of Logos 8. We’re rolling it out as a cross-platform system on desktop (Windows and macOS), mobile (iOS and Android), and the web at https://app.logos.com/. It’s also available to use free of charge on the Logos 7 web app and will be included in the free versions of our Logos 8 desktop and mobile apps in early 2019.

All your notes and highlights are in one place, automatically organized, and instantly accessible. The new system is fast, scalable, secure, and ready to handle your note-taking and highlighting needs.

Since it’s one of the most significant changes in Logos 8, we want to provide you with as much help as we can so you can learn the new system and adapt your workflows to take advantage of all that it offers.

We’ve prepared a variety of articles and videos to help you navigate the transition:

As you explore Logos 8 and the new note system, please don’t hesitate to reach out to us and let us know how we can help to make your transition as smooth as possible. We’re available to assist you through the following channels:

We’re looking forward to serving you.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:58 PM

Love the new notes tool. Can't wait for some of the other features (like labels) to be brought over.

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Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 5:51 AM

Hey Phil!

I love using Logos, and really appreciate the work put into keeping this tool so productive! Thank you!

I have two requests.

The new format for notes only seems to sort based upon date created or date modified. Is there a plan to allow us to sort alphabetically? This is a big deal for the way I use the notes.

Also, the desktop version used to have an export feature where I could choose the "expand" option, and then export all my notes at once into an editable text file. I used that feature quite a bit, and would love to have it in the online and/or iOS applications. Any plans to add that feature?

Blessings!

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 7:51 AM

Phil, in another post (can't find it now) you had asked about wanting to know what's important to us. For what it's worth. I can't see myself upgrading to Logos 8 until these issues are resolved:

  • Integration of notebooks in Your Documents search section in Everything search
  • Integration of notebooks in My Content section of guides Copy
  • Paste from resources with citation links

These three things are essential to my daily work and usage of Logos and it would be a significant drawback to not have these. I know there is planned integration of them on the FAQ page, but there is no timeline given as to when that would be (e.g. 6 weeks or 6 months) and these features are too important to me to go for very long without them.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:30 AM

Hi Ryan

Ryan:
For what it's worth. I can't see myself upgrading to Logos 8 until these issues are resolved:

I totally understand that.

But are you aware you can upgrade to Logos 8 and continue using the Logos 7 style notes until the new Notes Tool has the functionality you require?

Could be useful if there are other features in Logos 8 you want to take advantage of, or if you want to make use of the current discounts.

Graham

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:36 AM

Hi Graham,

Thank you for reminding me about that. I remember having read that somewhere earlier (so many forums and websites Big Smile) but if I recall correctly there was a warning. Something about using one system and then using another could have adverse effects on the notes or something like that. I have thousands of notes and am a bit paranoid about doing something that would cause me to mess them up. There are some other features I like but I'd feel more confident once these main sticking points are resolved. (I'm also hopeful that they'll have the bulk de-notebook-izer tool done by that time as well). Thanks again for chiming in. I always appreciate your help and advice.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:45 AM

Ryan:
but if I recall correctly there was a warning. Something about using one system and then using another could have adverse effects on the notes or something like that

Yes, continually switching between the two systems is not recommended.

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018336332 provides some useful information here.

If you use mobile devices - then upgrading to Logos 8 will, by default, cause the L8 mobile apps to be installed and these only use the new system. So that could be another reason to hold back on the switch

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:51 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
It’s also available to use free of charge on the Logos 7 web app and will be included in the free versions of our Logos 8 desktop and mobile apps in early 2019.

Phil, love the web app!   

Our you saying that this feature be available (in early 2019) to any one who has already upgraded to Logos 8?

Or just to people who buy the feature sets? 

I went the "library only" (more books) route when I updated, did I make a mistake? 

Tom, a little more confused then normal this morning :) 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:59 AM

Tom:

Our you saying that this feature be available (in early 2019) to any one who has already upgraded to Logos 8?

Or just to people who buy the feature sets? 

Phil said:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
will be included in the free versions of our Logos 8 desktop and mobile apps in early 2019.

Free for everyone who runs L8 by early 2019.

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:01 AM

Mark Smith:
Free for everyone who runs L8 by early 2019.

Thanks Mark,  I just though it was too good to be true. :)   

I think I will be very happy with the books and wait for the upgraded notes :) 

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:05 AM

Graham Criddle:

If you use mobile devices - then upgrading to Logos 8 will, by default, cause the L8 mobile apps to be installed and these only use the new system. So that could be another reason to hold back on the switch

Good point. I hadn't thought of this. I just checked the app store for my iPhone and it is telling me to update my Logos mobile app to the new version. If I am staying on L7 desktop, would there be a problem if I upgrade my iPhone and iPad to the new Logos app or should I hold off until I upgrade to L8 in the future?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:07 AM

Ryan:
Good point. I hadn't thought of this. I just checked the app store for my iPhone and it is telling me to update my Logos mobile app to the new version. If I am staying on L7 desktop, would there be a problem if I upgrade my iPhone and iPad to the new Logos app or should I hold off until I upgrade to L8 in the future?

If I understand Daniel's post at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173720/1002804.aspx#1002804 correctly then you don't get access to the new Notes system in the mobile apps until you go ahead and purchase a Logos 8 base package. So you should be fine.

But it may be worth questioning this in that thread in the mobile app forum just to be sure.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:08 AM

Tom:

Mark Smith:
Free for everyone who runs L8 by early 2019.

Thanks Mark,  I just though it was too good to be true. :)   

I think I will be very happy with the books and wait for the upgraded notes :) 

Considering how much work Faithlife has put in the new notes system (and will continue to do so), it is very generous of them to give us this tool. Free software upgrades for life isn't just marketing talk.

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Little Ike | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 1 2018 8:14 PM

In my old notes system, I had notes for each book of the Bible.  When I added a new note to the notes for a particular book, the new entry would insert itself in the proper chapter/verse order.  When labels are added to the new system, will new notes in a note book transparently insert themselves in chapter/verse order?  if not, will a new sort option be added that allows me to sort notes within a notebook in chapter/verse order?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 1 2018 8:23 PM

Little Ike:
will new notes in a note book transparently insert themselves in chapter/verse order?  if not, will a new sort option be added that allows me to sort notes within a notebook in chapter/verse order?

Not at this time. Sorting by Bible reference will be coming in a later release. You can find what is present and what is planned here.

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Little Ike | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 1 2018 8:26 PM

thanks

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Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 7:08 AM

I have used the notes feature on Logos for nearly twenty years. I add notes on specific bible study topics, and title each note so that I can go back whenever I need to review my study. I sorted the notes based upon the topic title. I usually have dozens of bible verses in each note. I suppose that I have thousands of hours invested in these notes. 

About three years ago I replaced my laptop with an iPad. the iOS version is awesome, and can nearly do everything I needed to do. The one significant feature it was missing was the ability to export notes to an editable text file. I have been concerned about not backing up my notes, but it looked like future development would add that feature.  I’m still hoping it will come  

The brand new note feature sorts by date only. After using the new system for a while now I can say that my notes are almost useless to me. I like the quick response of the search feature, but it searches the whole note which produces so many responses I can’t find the note I’m looking for.  Unfortunately the online version does the same thing.

I realize more development is coming. However, I have waited for years for export features. The thought of waiting years before I can use my notes again in a meaningful way is depressing. 

If anyone knows of a workaround I’m not seeing I would love to hear about it. I’m getting desperate enough that I’m considering using my last notes export from three years ago to import to another bible software, and just lose the last three years of work. since notes now sort by date, I guess I could hand type those new notes, but the editing I’ve done on old notes would be nigh impossible to capture. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 7:21 AM

Steve, you are probably someone who needs to revert to the old notes system until the new notes system has these critical functions. How to do this is found here.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 7:45 AM

Steve:
After using the new system for a while now I can say that my notes are almost useless to me

I'd be interested in hearing what causes it to be unusable, or perhaps better, what would make it a dream come true?

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Joe Mayden | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 9:52 AM

Two questions about notes in Logos 8 - Desktop

Is the range of data types limited or unlimited - for example under the facet browser there are Highlights and Notes.

Is the range of Anchors limited or unlimited - 

I have attempted to outline how the note taking system is organized - am I thinking correctly?

1348.Notebooks.docx

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