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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 8:26 PM

Kiyah:

PetahChristian:

Any plans for a layout card which lets us open one of our custom layouts?

I second this.

Yes. We'd definitely like to expand the layout card to include all layouts, including your own saved layouts. We did this already on the mobile app. No time frame, but definitely on our list of ways to improve the homepage.

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Noel Bomar:
Andrew I've tried this method to create the shortcut on the "Shortcuts Bar", but it doesn't work for me.  When I drag the url over to the shortcut bar and drop it, the shortcut does not appear.  Can you test on your end?

This page on the wiki has step-by-step instructions for Firefox, Chrome, and IE. I've confirmed it works on two different systems.

https://wiki.logos.com/Shortcuts_bar

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Noel Bomar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 9:21 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Noel Bomar:
Andrew I've tried this method to create the shortcut on the "Shortcuts Bar", but it doesn't work for me.  When I drag the url over to the shortcut bar and drop it, the shortcut does not appear.  Can you test on your end?

This page on the wiki has step-by-step instructions for Firefox, Chrome, and IE. I've confirmed it works on two different systems.

https://wiki.logos.com/Shortcuts_bar

Thanks for the link Andrew. I am able to successfully create shortcuts from various websites with Chrome browser, however the following browser does not work successfully to create links from any of the websites I had success with using Chrome:

Microsoft Edge 42.17134.1.0
Microsoft EdgeHTML 17.17134

Running on Windows 10 Pro - Ver 1803 - OS Build 17134.81

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 1:55 PM

Dav the fact you or Logos don’t like my honest feedback will not change me giving it. I am not a yes man. Logos 8 is disappointing to say the least. The interface changes were unecessary and left it with a broken home page that is unprofessional. And we are told to wait to 8.1 to fix things. The home page is the first impression you get of the software and supossed to be a show pony of Logos 8. The fact they released it broken shows how little they truly respect their customer - Let’s release it to them now broken, take their money now, tell wait for 8.1 release and it will all be good, and then cross our fingers we can fix it. They’ll take us at a word and won’t care it’s broken.

And you think it appropriate to respond to me in a demeaning way simply because you have a special badge under your name and that makes it ok. Wrong move but go ahead and continue to respond to me that way because I give honest feedback. All you are doing is demeaning your own reputation.  Whether you like it and whether FL likes it or not L8 is the most disappointing release since L4 when FL did not keep all of their promises about all of the missing features from Libronix and took tge progress page down overnight with no explanation. And you wonder why I am skeptical of FL not keeping their word.  Journals is one of the latest in a long line of FL making promises they can’t keep.

Blessings to you Dav, stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 1:59 PM

Thanks MJ I understand that and fine with it but I am not talking about resources menu’s being moved but the home page.

MJ. Smith:

doc:
Why was it moved from where it was,

Because the large resource icon was removed so that the entire tab would take less vertical space - important on smaller screens. So where it was no longer exists. Also moved was the Panel Menu and other indicators that were on the large tab.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 4:06 PM

doc:
... honest ... demeaning ...

Please forgive me for my words that have hurt you.

Looking in mirror provided me a reflection of my obnoxious old nature. Many years ago had me speaking whatever I thought was true to my human best friend. Lack of Love (during my self-inflicted drug addiction spanning 20 years) provided repetition of phrase "Hurting people hurt people" so lots of words that I hurled at my best friend effectively hurt both of us. Personally still learning to speak the Truth in Love using kind words. Thankful can join God in praying for people whom I have hurt. Thankful for being substantially sober over past 9.25 years (albeit with one slip 2.5 years ago that took me 10 days before seeking repentance and cleansing from unrighteousness). Priceless is vision change to see everyone alive as someone special to God, who desires an intimate, intense Love relationship.

Thankful for professional job experience about documenting issues that focused on answering "What ?" while leaving out "Who ?" and "Why ?"

If you were in my living room, would be asking "How are you hurting ?" or "What is bothering you ?" (seeking insight about your inner being as your words over many years reflect deep hurts; would weep Crying with you plus Rejoice when you're Rejoicing)

doc:
... stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.

Thankful for a number of your helpful replies while crying Crying from hurtful replies. My apologies for tendency to skim over your replies Embarrassed

doc:
... a broken home page ...

Thankful for home page improvements during private testing. For awhile, revamped home page had boxy placeholders lacking content. From earlier beta testing with crashes, have set my Logos to open to a blank layout (helpful for troubleshooting home page OR layout crash). Honestly seldom look at home page.

Keep Smiling Smile

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 6:15 PM

I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it.  Faithlife must have done something really right!  

I just open to a layout and added a couple links to the shortcut bar for what I wish was on the Homepage and plan to live happily ever after.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 12:57 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

doc:
... honest ... demeaning ...

Please forgive me for my words that have hurt you.

I am not hurt, I just don't see why fellow users feel it necessary to tell people who have a different view from them that they don't have a right to express that view. We are all paying customers, it doesn't matter how much we have payed or even if someone is not a paying customer and using the free version of the software. All customer should have the freedom to express their dissatisfaction if FL has got something wrong. It won't necessary be relevant or significant to every user but it is still relevant and important to the users expressing that view.

Your apology is accepted and if anyone who did beta test this software thought I was being demeaning to them, that was not my intention with what i said it was not what I was intending my comments were about the way FL choose people to private beta test and not about any of you personally so please forgive my poorly worded expression of my frustration with the way in which FL's actions. It was never about you.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 1:06 AM

GaoLu:
I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it.  Faithlife must have done something really right!  

There's nothing attractive about the home page, its simply a case of I use it, or would if it worked, for functional reasons.

1) to access my multiple reading plans rather than having to have a layout with multiple reading plan documents open. 

2) to see what resources have been added and access the latest release notes - both of these have been now removed

3) to quickly access my users account - this has now been removed and is buried in the about dialog or I have to use up space on my short cut bar to replicate the feature.

4) to quickly review the latest articles from the blogs of my choosing - or at least I used to be able to choose - to see if I want to read them in full

5) read any message sent via Logos - I have no idea if this is still a function in Logos 8

1) is broken for me, 2) & 3) have now been removed from the home page which makes no sense, 4) customization is broken & 5) as I said I have no idea what's happening in that space now.

A well done home page is about functionality. Logos 7 home page was much more functional and not broken in anyway. 

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 1:35 AM

GaoLu:

I wonder that the Home page is so attractive that people just can't make themselves bypass it.  Faithlife must have done something really right!  

I just open to a layout and added a couple links to the shortcut bar for what I wish was on the Homepage and plan to live happily ever after.

I suspect that a lot of people who are missing the old Home Page did bypass it the issue is that there were some things there that gave easy access to features and functions. It was any easy way to do a lot of fairly simple tasks.

May sound silly but I liked the fact that I could go to the Home Page and with a single click switch to My Library tab with only My Courses visible. Simple and effective. Same for the reading plans. 

I know that there are other ways of doing this type of thing but some users right now are genuinely lost because they don't know about some of the alternatives.

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BriM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 1:44 AM

I'm confused and worried by this thread. Two questions:

a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?

b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now? (Some of the comments in this thread say that things are different and the new version looks "unprofessional". I couldn't tell whether they meant the home page or the actual layouts).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 1:50 AM

BriM:
a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?

All of those configuration settings are still available so that should be fine.

BriM:
b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now?

Essentially the same, yes.

Some of the controls / indicators are in different places, some of the tabs are larger, the order of search options has changed (Bible search now comes first), etc...

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 2:02 AM

BriM:

I'm confused and worried by this thread. Two questions:

a) I currently have Logos 7 set to open straight into my previous layout. If I upgrade to Logos 8, will it still do the same?

b) Will that layout look essentially the same as it does now? (Some of the comments in this thread say that things are different and the new version looks "unprofessional". I couldn't tell whether they meant the home page or the actual layouts).

a - yes it will

b - my personal view is that the new look is OK 

To expand a bit, there's a lot about Logos 8 that is frustrating me because some default/expected behaviours has changed and some of the UI changes feel like they were made so that 8 would be different from 7. An example of this is that a lot of items on panels seem to have switched so what was on the left is now on the right and vice versa.

This is not like going from 4 ==> 5 ==> 6 ==> 7, this is more like going from 3 ==> 4. IMHO

Expecting an upgrade like the last few with a potential issue with Notes I jumped early and am just about back to normal for my regular tasks albeit with a changed layout to accommodate the broken reading plan from Home Page feature and a couple of extra floating Windows.

I would consider myself an experienced user but not a power user so I know enough to find an alternate way of doing things. This has cost me a few hours so far and I'm expecting a few more.

I noticed a few issues being raised in areas that I use occasionally like Guides, I would advise that you look into any of the Guide/Reports that matter to you to ensure that they will not impact you. Some of the stuff I read seems bad i.e. orphaned user data that will be made available again at a future point in time. At least that's how it looked to me.

There is still no proper documentation for users who are planning an upgrade.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 4:09 AM

I'd like to see more rounded corner consistency on the Home page. Right now, the Explore cards are a mix of:

  • square top corners and rounded bottom corners,
  • all square corners, and
  • all rounded corners.
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Kevin Olson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 6:30 AM

First of all, I love the feel of Logos 8.  It seems faster, and slightly more intuitive.  The tools are very powerful. 

The new home page is kind of a disappointment.  I like the idea of the dashboard, but I would also like to be able to turn it off completely, freeing up that space.  The ability to put our own layouts there would be wonderful.

I liked the side panel on the left in Logos 7.  It would have my preferred Lectionaries, and it seems to me that it even showed the readings for the day (as links).  I would love to have that side panel back, and also include the ability to select what is on that.  It would be great to be able to change preferred Bibles there too.  It would be fun to be able to customize the lectionary layouts in some way too.  Coming from a tradition that basically ignores the church calendar, I have grown to appreciate that, but would love to add resources for studying those passages, without having to add them every time I open that layout. 

I liked the link in Logos 7 which showed which resources were updated (downloaded), and even had links to the resources.  That seems to have disappeared completely in L8.

I liked the ability to chose what was displayed on the home screen.  I would like to be able to turn off pre-pubs and other offers for purchasing books.  I find that distracting when I want to study.   

I especially liked the excerpts of resources in my library.  It was kind of like multiple serendipitous discovery, which was alway interesting.  I have rediscovered great resources from my library through that means. 

Overall though, good job Faithlife on Logos 8!

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Pastor Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 7:14 AM
doc:

Dav the fact you or Logos don’t like my honest feedback will not change me giving it. I am not a yes man. Logos 8 is disappointing to say the least. The interface changes were unecessary and left it with a broken home page that is unprofessional. And we are told to wait to 8.1 to fix things. The home page is the first impression you get of the software and supossed to be a show pony of Logos 8. The fact they released it broken shows how little they truly respect their customer - Let’s release it to them now broken, take their money now, tell wait for 8.1 release and it will all be good, and then cross our fingers we can fix it. They’ll take us at a word and won’t care it’s broken.

And you think it appropriate to respond to me in a demeaning way simply because you have a special badge under your name and that makes it ok. Wrong move but go ahead and continue to respond to me that way because I give honest feedback. All you are doing is demeaning your own reputation.  Whether you like it and whether FL likes it or not L8 is the most disappointing release since L4 when FL did not keep all of their promises about all of the missing features from Libronix and took tge progress page down overnight with no explanation. And you wonder why I am skeptical of FL not keeping their word.  Journals is one of the latest in a long line of FL making promises they can’t keep.

Blessings to you Dav, stick to helping peopl, you do such a great job of doing that.

Everyone has the right to an opinion. I'm a long-time Logos user with pretty large library (around 8,000 items), and it's open hours every day. I'm not a beta tester, and upgraded on Monday. I watched a few of their videos and then jumped in. On my Mac it's faster than Logos 7, I like the new font, I really like the enhanced ability to craft searches, and Workflows has already been hugely helpful. I'm indifferent to Canvas, and I wish that I could turn off the content on the Home page, but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.
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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:18 AM

Pastor Greg:

...  but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.

I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.

Actually, I like reviews like doc's. Gushy approvals are fine, but almost never include minus's that may affect specific users. Very similar to Amazon reviews, you look for the 3 stars to see what issues might be involved.

And Logosians seem like Corvette club owners (since we're talking mainly guys). 'Bud, this baby's the best 8-banger ever. We don't appreciate you liking the lousy old one from last week."


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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 8:47 AM

Denise:

Pastor Greg:

...  but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.

I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.

Doc is not alone...

Whether people accept it or not the Logos 8 release has not been well managed, marketing communications have created the picture of a great "next level" product ready to help you dig deeper into God's Word. Technical communications have been poor, many long term users are struggling because frequently used items have been removed or work differently, no guide to upgrading has been issued and the new help system is part of a future update.

Dig deeper and you're told that you have installed an Early Adopter version and should expect some disruption. Try finding the words Early Adopter in the marketing communications.

The reality of course is that Logos 8 will be a great product it was just released too early with the focus on attracting new users. This is nothing new in this its just that the last few releases weren't this bad.

Doc and others will keep the pressure on for a few weeks, the first couple of updates will fix some of the worst problems, the protesters will get bored of being ignored and find a way of using what they have been given and then one day a year or so from now an auto update will make Logos 8 the product it should have been when it was released on Monday.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:19 AM

Graham Owen:

Denise:

Pastor Greg:

...  but the core of L8 - the reason I use it - is better FOR ME than before. You say that "L8 is the most disappointing release since L4," and that is no doubt true, for YOU, but you don't speak for all users. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, and perhaps you don't realize that others are having a very different experience. Hopefully your experience will improve as well.

I think doc has been pretty clear, it's his opinion. And there's probably only one doc, so people probably will be safe in concluding, it's doc's opinion.

Doc is not alone...

Whether people accept it or not the Logos 8 release has not been well managed, marketing communications have created the picture of a great "next level" product ready to help you dig deeper into God's Word. Technical communications have been poor, many long term users are struggling because frequently used items have been removed or work differently, no guide to upgrading has been issued and the new help system is part of a future update.

Dig deeper and you're told that you have installed an Early Adopter version and should expect some disruption. Try finding the words Early Adopter in the marketing communications.

The reality of course is that Logos 8 will be a great product it was just released too early with the focus on attracting new users. This is nothing new in this its just that the last few releases weren't this bad.

Doc and others will keep the pressure on for a few weeks, the first couple of updates will fix some of the worst problems, the protesters will get bored of being ignored and find a way of using what they have been given and then one day a year or so from now an auto update will make Logos 8 the product it should have been when it was released on Monday.

To be fair, early adopter is my term, not Faithlife's. I do not work for FL. But that is a general reality with all consumer technology and software.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 9:43 AM

David Taylor Jr:
To be fair, early adopter is my term, not Faithlife's.

Sadly for Faithlife "Early Adopter" is actually a fair description of Monday's release whether it's their term or not.

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