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William O'Flaherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 6:01 PM

I just watched the video about the Theology Guide and my version is 8.0.0583.
Under GUIDES, I get to it slightly differently, which is okay. What's not okay is that I get NO result for ANY topic!
I only have HODGE's ST, and it doesn't give results for it. As you can also see, I don't get ANY related passages. 
Am I missing something?

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 9:01 PM

William, i'm not sure you're actually looking at the Theology Guide. Here's how to get to it:

Entering Original Sin should show you this:

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 10:02 PM

Sean Boisen:
Entering Original Sin should show you this:

Sorry to go there again, but I was curious as I am right now studying this topic in Berkouwer's Studies in Dogmatics. Again, this series of entries shows the LST and the Guide need a lot of work.

To begin with, I don't see any reference to the fact that there is a major difference of viewpoint between the Eastern church and the Western/Augustinian tradition; how Romans 5:12 was translated in the Vulgate had a huge impact on how this doctrine developed in the West.* Similarly, the question of inherited/imputed guilt is also a major area of controversy. A guide to systematic theology should at least hint at these issues and direct the reader to resources that discuss them.

Next, the recommended reading lists are very thin and too selective. Most are directed towards sections in Reformed STs and the Summa. A wider range of viewpoints would be helpful. Under the related article, "The Effects of the Fall...", Berkouwer's volume on Man is suggested; his excellent work on Sin (with several chapters on the subject) should be there in the "Original Sin" article. I do hope these reading lists will be enhanced and enlarged as time goes by.

OTOH, I'm happy to see more entries popping up in the Systematic Theologies section--I now see Bavinck and Vos (were they there earlier too?) But the primary aim of this tool--what I think most of your customer base would be looking for--should be to help you explore the depth and breadth of theology in your Logos library. You're going to have to consciously and deliberately reach out beyond the Reformed/Baptist theological paradigm in order to do that.

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*ETA, just a quick expansion for the curious from two translations that make the difference very clear:

Romans 5:12 (Douay-Rheims)

12 Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world and by sin death: and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.

Romans 5:12 (EOB: NT)

12 Therefore, [even] as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, death passed to everyone, because {of which} all sinned.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 2:22 AM

Since we're on the topic of "original sin" (a doctrine applied to a text that never once uses the word "sin"), it might also be worth FL's time to address those perspectives that don't assume that original sin is even a topic for consideration in Gen. 3. James Barr's The Garden of Eden and the Hope of Immortality posits such a view. Barr's much better at seeing what's wrong than what's right, but his insight is worth considering.

Yeah, it's not in Logos...it's one of the hundred-plus books I've had to buy in tangible form over the last year. Like so much else, it should be on the Logos "Get" list.

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William O'Flaherty:
I just watched the video about the Theology Guide and my version is 8.0.0583.
Under GUIDES, I get to it slightly differently, which is okay. What's not okay is that I get NO result for ANY topic!
I only have HODGE's ST, and it doesn't give results for it. As you can also see, I don't get ANY related passages. 
Am I missing something?

It looks like you don't have the required licenses for the feature.

From looking at the feature set comparison chart, it looks like you'll need the Full Feature Upgrade in order to have access to the Theology Guide and associated datasets: https://www.logos.com/compare/feature-sets

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 4:30 PM

Sean:

Sean Boisen:
Entering Original Sin should show you this:

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Next, the recommended reading lists are very thin and too selective. Most are directed towards sections in Reformed STs and the Summa. A wider range of viewpoints would be helpful. Under the related article, "The Effects of the Fall...", Berkouwer's volume on Man is suggested; his excellent work on Sin (with several chapters on the subject) should be there in the "Original Sin" article. I do hope these reading lists will be enhanced and enlarged as time goes by.

OTOH, I'm happy to see more entries popping up in the Systematic Theologies section--I now see Bavinck and Vos (were they there earlier too?) But the primary aim of this tool--what I think most of your customer base would be looking for--should be to help you explore the depth and breadth of theology in your Logos library. You're going to have to consciously and deliberately reach out beyond the Reformed/Baptist theological paradigm in order to do that.

<snip />

There aren't yet any new entries, but the Recommended Reading lists vary between articles, depending on the contributor who wrote them.

We plan eventually to index virtually all systematic theologies in Logos by the categories in the Survey, so over time the Systematic Theologies section will grow into a much larger list that will cover a much wider set of perspectives.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 5:45 AM

Hi Sean:

I noticed that you mention in a review that pentecostalism is one of your areas of expertise. Do you mind mentioning the recommended resources to understand their theology, and resources that try to show why some presuppositions they have may not fully jibe with the Bible?

Also could you share with us the workflow you use to compare different perspectives on particular doctrinal topics?

Lastly: in your view, what is the best resource that most completely lists all the key components of what a systematic theology should contain.

I am pretty sure systematic theologians wanna bes like me would greatly appreciate your input.

Kind regards.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 11:40 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
I noticed that you mention in a review that pentecostalism is one of your areas of expertise. Do you mind mentioning the recommended resources to understand their theology, and resources that try to show why some presuppositions they have may not fully jibe with the Bible?

Just curious...can you name any denomination whose presuppositions fully jibe with the Bible?

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 8:22 PM

Fully none, and that is why I try to understand the perspective of most common ones in different topics to enlarge the conceptual framework to be able to see the different pertinent variables involved.

Maybe I understood wrong the command in the Bible: "Check all, retain what is good".

Kind Regards.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 9:01 PM

David Paul:

Just curious...can you name any denomination whose presuppositions fully jibe with the Bible?

They couldn't be a denomination, if that were the requirement. Just as taken literally, all the pastors in our community are promised eternal punishment, since at most, only one is potentially not a false teacher (without guessing which one).


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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 2:47 AM

Hi Denise, hope all is going fine.

One little question: what ontology software do you use? protege?

MJ hinted me to ask you. I was impressed with the TheOn and CalOn ontologies, I do not know if you have read the article:

https://projekter.aau.dk/projekter/files/281070062/Master_Thesis_of_Simon_Josias_Graf.pdf

Also, are there any resources that you would recommend to get acquainted with the ontology viewers?

Thanks for any input you share with us.

Blessings.

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Pastor Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 6:55 AM

Just my two leptas worth:

First, if Logos doesn't make these graphics "clickable," they are missing (in fact, ignoring) a huge opportunity to help us as we study. 

Second, maybe I'm just missing it, but since there are obviously a large number of these images in Logos, is there a place where they are contained in a SINGLE image? A recent email described the Theology Guide as a "mind map," but showing an unclickable piece of a static image doesn't begin to meet the basic qualifications for a mind map. The graphics obviously exist; joining them into a single document – even a downloadable PDF – wouldn't be an impossible task, and would provide a huge benefit in showing how the various areas of theology intersect.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 7:09 AM

Pastor Greg:
Second, maybe I'm just missing it, but since there are obviously a large number of these images in Logos, is there a place where they are contained in a SINGLE image?

Right at the front of the Lexham Survey of Theology resource in your library. Or go direct to the image in the Media Tool.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 7:29 AM

Hamilton Ramos:

Hi Denise, hope all is going fine.

One little question: what ontology software do you use? protege?

MJ hinted me to ask you. I was impressed with the TheOn and CalOn ontologies, I do not know if you have read the article:

https://projekter.aau.dk/projekter/files/281070062/Master_Thesis_of_Simon_Josias_Graf.pdf

Also, are there any resources that you would recommend to get acquainted with the ontology viewers?

Thanks for any input you share with us.

Blessings.

Thank you for the question, Hamilton. But I'm guessing you're thinking of Rosie (Perera)?  I'm at the exact opposite of that spectrum. Theology and ontology are like dogs studying humans. Lectures. Books. Dog scholars that spent years at dog school. But they remain dogs ... being good will achieve better results.

Rosie (and MJ) are the smart ones!


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Pastor Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 2:43 PM

Mark Barnes:

Pastor Greg:
Second, maybe I'm just missing it, but since there are obviously a large number of these images in Logos, is there a place where they are contained in a SINGLE image?

Right at the front of the Lexham Survey of Theology resource in your library. Or go direct to the image in the Media Tool.

Thanks, Mark - that's really helpful. Now to make it a navigation tool . . . 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2018 5:10 PM

Pastor Greg:

Mark Barnes:

Pastor Greg:
Second, maybe I'm just missing it, but since there are obviously a large number of these images in Logos, is there a place where they are contained in a SINGLE image?

Right at the front of the Lexham Survey of Theology resource in your library. Or go direct to the image in the Media Tool.

Thanks, Mark - that's really helpful. Now to make it a navigation tool . . . 

Providing a more visual way to interact with and navigate from the Lexham Systematic Theology Ontology structure is under active consideration.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 3:53 AM

Hi Mark:

Do you know if is possible to place such diagrams in canvas and then assign links to certain areas that connect to specific locations within a resource?

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 4:18 AM

Thanks for your answer Denise, sorry for the misunderstanding.

As far as theology goes, I like the message that MJ puts at the bottom of her posts:

"Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

And I like systematic theology because then you can start to explore questions such as:

are there different types of prayer? (i.e. intercessory, for spiritual warfare, praising, situational reporting, etc?)

What does worship in Sprit and truth mean? Todd mentioned that in a Lexicon Truth meant "with nothing to hide", which is another angle from what most people think on it having a "true doctrine" connotation.

And questions like the above take us to other questions: should someone outside orthopraxis worship? how about those that are sincerely mistaken?

should we use spiritual discernment gifts to pinpoint infiltrated tares in ministry / leadership positions? should we unmask them? or should we pray for God to take care of them?

From my perspective, theology is fascinating. I do get your point that much of what is called theology nowadays is nothing but pure indoctrination, and little critical thinking.

Blessed be God for letting us meet persons like you, MJ, Rosie, Mike Barnes, NB MIck, Ks4J, etc. with good God given rationality, common sense, and authentic faith.

Faith which by the way is another fascinating topic: are there many types of faith? (i.e. saving faith, rapturing faith, move mountains faith, get my miracle (or healing) faith), or is it just one type applied to different situations?, does it have measure? as in much, little, etc? And what does it entail? 

Understanding of right doctrine? knowing that Jesus is alive and well through the disclosing of the heart 1 Co 14:25, have a conviction that God is all powerful and for you as adopted children?, is it a certainty that comes after experiencing the fullness of the Holy Spirit, who gives testimony that things are so?

Yes as you can see I love theology, best subject in the world, lots of questions, God's grace to allow me to little by little understand.

Am I a dog because of that? not an attack one, maybe a toy breed puppy... playful, optimistic, hoping for the best in situations, and always knowing that the master is the Master (God). LOL.

Blessings.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 10:42 AM

Hamilton Ramos:

Hi Mark:

Do you know if is possible to place such diagrams in canvas and then assign links to certain areas that connect to specific locations within a resource?

Not Mark - but the Systematic Theology diagram is from Canvas.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 10:48 AM

I sure would like to add the canvas drawing so i could manipulate it..... if it is in canvas i think that is possible.... do you know where it is so it could be used??????

thanks in advance....

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