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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2018 12:10 AM

Dave Hooton:

Keep Favorites in your layout, and just drag the book's tab into Favorites. You can create folders for different types of 'bookmarks', and drag it into a folder.

While this works, it isn't very efficient and requires a lot of clicks and panes opening to accomplish something relatively simple. I would like a single per resource bookmark that sits on the resource's toolbar that requires a single click to enable or disable. There is all that extra whitespace next to the parallel tool icon, so why not put a bookmark tool icon there?

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2018 10:07 AM

Now that Logos 8 is out I have the following concern.

What's the use of adding new useful features, like Canvas, while the app work sooooooo slow in OS X Mojave as t make the app unusable except for Bible reading? I don't get it. I think the #1 complaint for years is that Logos is slow and I have been faithfully waiting for an upgrade after upgrade in the hope that finally, Logis work as advertised. It seems like every update from Logos also requires an investment of a new computer in order to see it working. I am so frustrated that I have invested so much money and time in a software that has a lot of hype and little real performance improvement. In the meantime, apps like Accordance keep getting faster and faster. This will be my last Logos update as I will not keep pouring money on an app I have hardly been able to use as it keeps getting slower and slower and slower. 

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2018 10:28 AM

David Medina:
I am so frustrated that I have invested so much money and time in a software that has a lot of hype and little real performance improvement. In the meantime, apps like Accordance keep getting faster and faster. This will be my last Logos update as I will not keep pouring money on an app I have hardly been able to use as it keeps getting slower and slower and slower.

Sorry you're frustrated, David! FWIW this is the opposite of the vast majority of reports with L8. The consensus has been that it's significantly faster. I say this so that you know you're not having the "normal" experience. I don't know if it's related to Mojave or something else (I'm still on High Sierra), but it may be worth enabling diagnostic logging and uploading some logs.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2018 5:02 AM

David Medina:

Now that Logos 8 is out I have the following concern.

What's the use of adding new useful features, like Canvas, while the app work sooooooo slow in OS X Mojave as t make the app unusable except for Bible reading? I don't get it. I think the #1 complaint for years is that Logos is slow and I have been faithfully waiting for an upgrade after upgrade in the hope that finally, Logis work as advertised. It seems like every update from Logos also requires an investment of a new computer in order to see it working. I am so frustrated that I have invested so much money and time in a software that has a lot of hype and little real performance improvement. In the meantime, apps like Accordance keep getting faster and faster. This will be my last Logos update as I will not keep pouring money on an app I have hardly been able to use as it keeps getting slower and slower and slower. 

As Reuban said, most users are experiencing better performance with L8. I run the program on my Windows 10 desktop, and on my macbook air with Mojave installed. I have seen performance improvement on both. Perhaps diagnostic logging would reveal some clues as to what you are experiencing.

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Austin Meier | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 21 2018 2:24 PM

I'm not sure if this is the place for feature requests or not, but I would love to see a tool such as Spritzlet https://www.spritzlet.com/ or Kindle's Wordrunner https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201852380 incorporated into the Logos Mobile and Desktop Apps. These dramatically increase reading speed. Reaedsy http://www.readsy.co/# is a workaround, but not ideal.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 21 2018 3:23 PM

Austin Meier:
I'm not sure if this is the place for feature requests or not

A new thread is much better, but https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7 is used for desktop features and https://logosmobile.uservoice.com/forums/190765-logos-mobile-apps/filters/top for Mobile features (the Logos wiki has a sidebar with these links under Help Development).

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 27 2018 1:30 PM

 

Dave Hooton:
A new thread is much better, but
. . . didn't know where to find that "new thread" for features, but, here's something I'd find most helpful . . .

With multiple resources opened, it would be great if a single-click on these arrows would move through the open resources, rather than a single-click and only advancing one resource at a time. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 27 2018 5:37 PM

Jerry Smith:
 
Dave Hooton:
A new thread is much better, but
. . . didn't know where to find that "new thread"

At the top right of a Forum like Logos 8 is "Write a new post" = start a new thread

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 1:42 PM

I've been with Logos/Faithlife whoever they are calling themselves this, since Libronix days, Logos 3. While certainly not the first person, obviously, to use a digital Bible, I have always been one of less than 3 people to have a laptop in church, as a Bible. Now I'm one of many. The point I am attempting to make is, I'm not brand new to digital Bibles; however, since my purchase of L3, I have been anything but appreciative of digital Bibles. So much so, that my Bible reading time has suffered. Seriously, it is quicker for me to manually look up a passage than to use Logos. The complete opposite reason I spent a fortune on this "research assistant". I have kept yelling about it; great people have offered me advice, and to no avail. It had become a huge money pit, and despite all the so called cool features, and all the books I can never read by the end of eternity (and I have just hit the 2000 mark in Dec. so, relatively small to most everyone else here) that I decided last year to buy about 8 physical Bibles to replace Logos. 
Starting with L7, my hatred for Logos diminished. But, my time with God and his word has suffered dramatically. Even with L7 I could not open Logos within 5 minutes. When it did decided to open, it took just as long to get to the passage. I need to copy/paste a verse? Google was that answer, NOT Logos. 
Logos is so overwhelming, as a library, and so underwhelming in performance. I purchased a new laptop, that allowed me to open Logos quickly: 1 and a half to 2 minutes. With L8, however, it opens in 20-40 seconds, tops. Even better, exaggerating, a bit, with the searching, it's practically up, before I even hit "enter". Seriously, with no exaggeration, by the time I do hit Enter, I have the results I am looking for. 
I'm very pleased with L8's speed. There are some other issues I have; but, I am FINALLY after close to 10 years, am getting close to having the desire to even open a Bible, and a digital one at that. Unfortunately, I have allowed my frustration for Logos to keep me from my Bible reading and research. But, I am slowly regaining that blazing hot desire I once had-- still, it is merely warming up. But, I am seeing that desire come back.

I don't know if I have offered any help or not. But, the point is, I completely understand the frustration you face. I picked up a free version of Accordance, but, have not used it but once. I have enough money sunk into Logos, that I cannot bare the thought of never using it again. But, with the frustration factor (on speed, anyway) I feel that things are FINALLY beginning to pay off. Having the Logos Now/Connect (and, once again, Whatever name they are calling this subscription service, this week) I feel I am "future proofed", without having to come up with $400-800 at one time (THAT will never happen again!) and, I can get the learning I need (via mobile ed) to finally get my theological degree. 

Once again, to get to the point, I understand the frustration, and because I am finally beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel, and that it is not a locomotive aiming to run my hiney down, I feel I can offer some hope, and some advice. 
1. Do not spend money on ANY digital Bible software, until you can upgrade to a solid device that can handle the requirements. 
2. Do not spend money on ANY digital Bible software, until you can afford to learn how to use it.
I'm not advocating Morris' lessons. He is probably the best, but, in my opinion, if one has to spend $400 just to learn how to use the software, that is a problem. If you can afford it, that is up to you. But, there are others, much cheaper, and willing to go the distance for you and with you. John Fallahee is one. I think he is $80-100. 
3. Most importantly, do NOT allow Satan to frustrate you to the point I allowed him to frustrate me. TEN years I barely opened up ANY Bible, due to the frustration. 

God bless

David Medina:

Now that Logos 8 is out I have the following concern.

What's the use of adding new useful features, like Canvas, while the app work sooooooo slow in OS X Mojave as t make the app unusable except for Bible reading? I don't get it. I think the #1 complaint for years is that Logos is slow and I have been faithfully waiting for an upgrade after upgrade in the hope that finally, Logis work as advertised. It seems like every update from Logos also requires an investment of a new computer in order to see it working. I am so frustrated that I have invested so much money and time in a software that has a lot of hype and little real performance improvement. In the meantime, apps like Accordance keep getting faster and faster. This will be my last Logos update as I will not keep pouring money on an app I have hardly been able to use as it keeps getting slower and slower and slower. 

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 2:02 PM

Truly appreciate your comments. I too dread opening Logos 8 to do anything. I know I have to start the program around 15 minutes before I plan to use it to allow the program to actually settle so it can be used. And still, is sluggish. 

I am a photographer by trade. I think a computer that it is used to edit 4K video should be able to run a database program like Logos. I have also taken courses on how to use Logos. 

I also own Accordance and whenever I want to do something that requires to be snappy I choose Accordance over Logos every time. Running on the same computers, Accordance is 1000 times faster than Logos.

If Logos users are honest, I wonder how much of the "glam features" they keep adding to the app is actually used and useful. They just add more complexity and overhead to an already bloated app. I trade all those fancy features for an app that actually makes me use it to study the Bible. I made the upgrade to Logos 8 on the promise that it was faster. Well, Logos has cost me thousands of dollars and the only thing I can say is that I own Logos 8 because I hardly use it. For me, still not paying off. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 2:23 PM

David Medina:

Truly appreciate your comments. I too dread opening Logos 8 to do anything. I know I have to start the program around 15 minutes before I plan to use it to allow the program to actually settle so it can be used. And still, is sluggish. 

I am a photographer by trade. I think a computer that it is used to edit 4K video should be able to run a database program like Logos. I have also taken courses on how to use Logos. 

I also own Accordance and whenever I want to do something that requires to be snappy I choose Accordance over Logos every time. Running on the same computers, Accordance is 1000 times faster than Logos.

If Logos users are honest, I wonder how much of the "glam features" they keep adding to the app is actually used and useful. They just add more complexity and overhead to an already bloated app. I trade all those fancy features for an app that actually makes me use it to study the Bible. I made the upgrade to Logos 8 on the promise that it was faster. Well, Logos has cost me thousands of dollars and the only thing I can say is that I own Logos 8 because I hardly use it. For me, still not paying off. 

Actually I believe he was saying L8 opens faster. It opens in about 30 seconds for me. I have Accordance and it is worthless as a tool. Not logical.  I use most of the new features in L8 believe it or not.  A lot of the speed depends on your computer hardware.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 3:32 PM

David Medina:
Well, Logos has cost me thousands of dollars and the only thing I can say is that I own Logos 8 because I hardly use it.

So ask on the forums how to do what YOU want to do on Logos or to find out that you're actually more of a dead-tree format student ... as I am in several aspects.

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Al Sosa | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2019 3:34 PM

Hello David...
I've been using Logos now for 30 years! When it first was released, it was a little bulky. Right now I use it daily. It takes my computer 15 seconds to load. That's why in the beginning, I knew that if I buy a regular PC, it would slow it down. So, I bought a gaming computer with powerful features like a good amount of memory. 
As for the features, this depends on your particular expectations and your particular purpose of using L8. I teach and pastor a small congregation and I design courses for our church. Logos has been a God sent to me. My expectations are high and my particular use is demanding. So Logos is it. I too have Accordance. To me it is useful, but Logos is the right tool for me. True, L8 is not for the faint hearted. It is for serious bible study. And this is my use of the product. To me it works wonderfully. If L9 comes out next year, I'm getting it.

But David, you use what you need. And your expectations are different than many in the forum. Whatever you have, use it for the glory of God and your ministry to edify people. If L8 is not your tool, then use Accordance. It will work for you too.

Be blessed...

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davetkeing | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 12:51 AM

Graham, thanks, but I am fully aware of that. But it can be a bit sensitive - in my opinion - that can cause it to open instead of allowing you to delete it if you don't click it just right.

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davetkeing | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2019 12:54 AM

Graham, thanks, but I am fully aware of that. But it can be a bit sensitive - in my opinion - that can cause it to open instead of allowing you to delete it if you don't click it just right.

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Rev. Donald Quigley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2019 11:05 AM

I have been a loyal Logos & Faithlife customer since Libronix.  I have invested over $8000 in my Logos Bible Software and I am an avid user of Proclaim.  I tell you this because I am perturbed that since I upgraded to Logos 8 I am now being told that the level I already own and paid for (Portfolio) is an additional $1700 in Logos 8.  This has never happened before in all of the upgrades I have done throughout the years.  Upgrading through Logos 5, 6, and 7 never altered my existing program level. It is almost as if you created a new Level between Portfolio and Collectors edition.  I already paid over one thousand dollars for Portfolio when I had Logos 7 now in Logos 8 I am told I have to pay an additional $1700 for Portfolio even though I already own it.  I am baffled and not well pleased.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2019 11:22 AM

Rev. Donald Quigley:

I have been a loyal Logos & Faithlife customer since Libronix.  I have invested over $8000 in my Logos Bible Software and I am an avid user of Proclaim.  I tell you this because I am perturbed that since I upgraded to Logos 8 I am now being told that the level I already own and paid for (Portfolio) is an additional $1700 in Logos 8.  This has never happened before in all of the upgrades I have done throughout the years.  Upgrading through Logos 5, 6, and 7 never altered my existing program level. It is almost as if you created a new Level between Portfolio and Collectors edition.  I already paid over one thousand dollars for Portfolio when I had Logos 7 now in Logos 8 I am told I have to pay an additional $1700 for Portfolio even though I already own it.  I am baffled and not well pleased.

Portfolio is just a library collection so you would be getting a substantial amount of additional resources for $1700.  You don't have to upgrade to the Portfolio library, you can just buy the features.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2019 11:25 AM

Rev. Donald Quigley:

I have been a loyal Logos & Faithlife customer since Libronix.  I have invested over $8000 in my Logos Bible Software and I am an avid user of Proclaim.  I tell you this because I am perturbed that since I upgraded to Logos 8 I am now being told that the level I already own and paid for (Portfolio) is an additional $1700 in Logos 8.  This has never happened before in all of the upgrades I have done throughout the years.  Upgrading through Logos 5, 6, and 7 never altered my existing program level. It is almost as if you created a new Level between Portfolio and Collectors edition.  I already paid over one thousand dollars for Portfolio when I had Logos 7 now in Logos 8 I am told I have to pay an additional $1700 for Portfolio even though I already own it.  I am baffled and not well pleased.

Hi Donald,

I think this is easily misunderstood. Think of the Logos 8 as a feature and program upgrade. Then think of each of the different library offerings as an opportunity to purchase additional books and resources that interest you. You keep all your resources no matter which library you choose to upgrade to. You do not have to upgrade to Portfolio to keep your current library, you just add the additional resource available in the L8 package.

On each package page is a "new to you" drop down so you can see what additional resources you get for the $1,700. Look at other packages that may suite your interests and or budget and you can get the program upgrade and books you want given your budget.

Hopefully this puts this in a more palatable light. If not, post back.

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2019 11:34 AM

Welcome to the forums, Donald...

In addition to David and John's comments, you might find this article helpful: https://blog.logos.com/2018/11/4-myths-logos-truth-upgrading/

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David Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 3 2019 2:57 PM

Logos 8 claims to be faster.  Is it?  Can you actually find anything with it?  I downloaded basic.  Waiting to restart Logos because it is indexing.  (It said it was 88% indexed but suddenly it is down to only 26%. I think that is all it ever does).

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