How can I go back to Logos 7?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:07 PM

MJ. Smith:

Denise:
Actually, my question would be whether L8 is a forced install.  On L7, you can decline installation.  I'd buy the large package, as long as I could use L7 (I have my doubts about the timing of 8.1).

Yes, you can decline installation but for once I think your doubts are entirely unfounded. You have no need of the home page. Simply set to open to a blank page or your most common layout and you'll bypass most everything people are complaining about.

Thanks, regarding decline.

From yesterday's reading, I'm not entirely sure I need L8. See what shows in 8.1.  L7 works great. 

Problem in all of Logos' rollouts ... don't know what is being lost. I heard 3 columns max, etc. 


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:13 PM

Denise:

From yesterday's reading, I'm not entirely sure I need L8. See what shows in 8.1.  L7 works great. 

Problem in all of Logos' rollouts ... don't know what is being lost. I heard 3 columns max, etc. 

Faux gnus Big Smile

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:27 PM

It’s not the only aspect David, but it’s the first impression you get of the software and it is badly broken and makes the software look cheap. It should not of been released in this state. I’m glad your confident it will be fixed by 8.1.

The home page is supposed to be a show pony of Logos 8 and it looks like a malnourished underweight pony. It’s not your place to tell me I can not provide honest feedback on that.

David Taylor Jr:

doc:

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

Honestly, if that is what you are judging all of L8 on I think you have severely missed the point. It's going to be fixed. It isn't fixed today. No sense going on and on about it, just move on.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:30 PM

Hi Bradley

It's the other users who I don't think are getting a fair hearing in some of the responses.

I'm comfortable with Prioritisation and the last time that I used the Home Page to set my preferred Bible I think it was because one of the Android Apps either messed it up or I accidentally messed it up using the App.

I appreciate that the Faithlife Team are busy around the launch period and you rely on the community here to respond with help but some of the advice being offered is not really helpful especially when some of the responses seem dismissive of the issue. 

I certainly feel like some of the responses that I have received have been less than helpful and have added to the sense of frustration that I feel with Logos 8. As I said elsewhere my entry point was the Web Site, no mention there of missing features or Early Adopter. The only area I was expecting to be a bit of an issue was Notes but I was informed about that, I'm just failing to understand why as a long term user I did not get some more guidance on the likely impact of upgrading or at least a document with known issues and missing/incomplete features.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:32 PM

doc:
It’s not the only aspect David, but it’s the first impression you get of the software and it is badly broken and makes the software look cheap. It should not of been released in this state

Hi doc

Would you be able to expand on your concerns? I understand that being unable to customise the Explorer section is causing disatisfaction to some but I get the sense that there is more to it from your perspective.

If so, it would be good to understand that

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 2:36 PM

Graham Owen:
as a long term user I did not get some more guidance on the likely impact of upgrading or at least a document with known issues and missing/incomplete features

I figure marketing rules, so your request for guidance would not happen.  I believe we should get what you call for, but alas.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 3:08 PM

Problem is Sean I rely on home page to access multple reading plans and the ‘cards’ for my reading plans are broken. They take me to the wrong bible version. If I use the reading plan document it opens the correct version. So FL have bromen a workflow that was not broken.

Sean Boisen:

Two constructive suggestions if you don't like the new homepage look:

  • "Show Program Settings" in the command bar, then under General / At Startup Open to, you can select a specific layout, or your most recent one.
  • MJ cleverly suggested here that you can fill up the dashboard section with cards that are important to you, which will push the Explore section down (if that's what you don't want to see).

I'll admit that i've bypassed the home page since Logos 4: it was too busy and not useful enough (don't tell my boss!). But i'm giving it another try: I find the redesign around task cards genuinely useful. But you don't have to look at them if you have a different opinion.

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 3:16 PM

doc:

It’s not the only aspect David, but it’s the first impression you get of the software and it is badly broken and makes the software look cheap. It should not of been released in this state. I’m glad your confident it will be fixed by 8.1.

The home page is supposed to be a show pony of Logos 8 and it looks like a malnourished underweight pony. It’s not your place to tell me I can not provide honest feedback on that.

David Taylor Jr:

doc:

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

Honestly, if that is what you are judging all of L8 on I think you have severely missed the point. It's going to be fixed. It isn't fixed today. No sense going on and on about it, just move on.

Doc:  I respectfully disagree.  While the homepage isn't great, the program itself is better than ever, IMHO.

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 3:22 PM

Knowing your issues the folks here are really helpful in guiding people with questions. Although people tend to not like change, take some time look at the Morris Proctor videos and give it a shot and learning how it works. FL is good on their 30 day returns, but this is a much nicer and smoother change than to Logos 4 and I was on the Beta team at that time. Wow that was a change...as is Logos 8, but feels much cleaner and robust. I will no doubt like it more as i spend time working in it. Only have had a couple of hours to work through it so far.

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 4:12 PM

doc:
They take me to the wrong bible version. If I use the reading plan document it opens the correct version. So FL have bromen a workflow that was not broken.

doc, sorry you are having this issue. I'd like to know more about it so that I can work to resolve it for you. I haven't had any luck trying to get it to happen. Can you help me try to reproduce it? Anything unique about your setup that I can test? Are there certain steps that led to this behavior?

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 4:22 PM

In some ways I'd like to go back to the old Volkswagen Bug. It worked.  I could work on it. Nostalgia hits hard. Remember vacuum assisted dynamic shift? How cool was that! But alas! 

Old things have passed away and new things really are better.  L8 is miles better even than the really great L7.  Give it a chance and you will find yourself caught in the thrill of  zooming around the corners in a sleek blue sports car, like never before. 

L8 isn't wine in an old skin (hope I don't lose any denominations here) but new wine in a new skin!  Don't backslide now!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 4:52 PM

MJ. Smith:

Denise:

From yesterday's reading, I'm not entirely sure I need L8. See what shows in 8.1.  L7 works great. 

Problem in all of Logos' rollouts ... don't know what is being lost. I heard 3 columns max, etc. 

Faux gnus Big Smile

Just to illustrate, on the blog, a user says the little link letters are mostly gone (from the user display ... they still work). The FL person glosses over, and I'm thinking, huh?

Folks seem excited over what they didn't get ... usable searches, etc.  It's really interesting.  


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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 7:56 PM

And that’s ok to respectfully disagree Cynthia, but I think it really downgrades the software and if I was looking to purchase a bible software package for the first time I would take one look at this and move onto a competitor. But I have invested too much in this product so that is not an option now

Cynthia in Florida:

doc:

It’s not the only aspect David, but it’s the first impression you get of the software and it is badly broken and makes the software look cheap. It should not of been released in this state. I’m glad your confident it will be fixed by 8.1.

The home page is supposed to be a show pony of Logos 8 and it looks like a malnourished underweight pony. It’s not your place to tell me I can not provide honest feedback on that.

David Taylor Jr:

doc:

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

Honestly, if that is what you are judging all of L8 on I think you have severely missed the point. It's going to be fixed. It isn't fixed today. No sense going on and on about it, just move on.

Doc:  I respectfully disagree.  While the homepage isn't great, the program itself is better than ever, IMHO.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:02 PM

Alan, thanks for responding. they are custom reading plans, setup to use ESV, but when I click on the reading card it takes me to JPS I think. I’m at work at moment so can’t give you further details but if you need anything specific let me know and I can get back to you when home tonight. Also they no longer show up in the new mobile app, only pre-built plans show up as avail to add.

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):

doc:
They take me to the wrong bible version. If I use the reading plan document it opens the correct version. So FL have bromen a workflow that was not broken.

doc, sorry you are having this issue. I'd like to know more about it so that I can work to resolve it for you. I haven't had any luck trying to get it to happen. Can you help me try to reproduce it? Anything unique about your setup that I can test? Are there certain steps that led to this behavior?

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:07 PM

Denise:

MJ. Smith:

Denise:

From yesterday's reading, I'm not entirely sure I need L8. See what shows in 8.1.  L7 works great. 

Problem in all of Logos' rollouts ... don't know what is being lost. I heard 3 columns max, etc. 

Faux gnus Big Smile

Just to illustrate, on the blog, a user says the little link letters are mostly gone (from the user display ... they still work). The FL person glosses over, and I'm thinking, huh?

Folks seem excited over what they didn't get ... usable searches, etc.  It's really interesting.  

That’s the problem Denise, FL have focussed on the glossy stuff so they can say look we’ve got something new for you even though it wasn’t broken and i am yet to come across anything about how they have improved searching.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:13 PM

I’d much rather be crushing the country side in my little red car with some improvements under the hood to the engine rather than a sleek blue sports car with lots of dents in the body. Each to their own I guess when it comes to cars.

GaoLu:

In some ways I'd like to go back to the old Volkswagen Bug. It worked.  I could work on it. Nostalgia hits hard. Remember vacuum assisted dynamic shift? How cool was that! But alas! 

Old things have passed away and new things really are better.  L8 is miles better even than the really great L7.  Give it a chance and you will find yourself caught in the thrill of  zooming around the corners in a sleek blue sports car, like never before. 

L8 isn't wine in an old skin (hope I don't lose any denominations here) but new wine in a new skin!  Don't backslide now!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:13 PM

Denise:
Just to illustrate, on the blog, a user says the little link letters are mostly gone (from the user display ... they still work)

Thanks for the info ... here in the forums people are complaining the link letters take up to much space :-) Yes, there have been arguments over how much information that was coded around the book cover icon was essential to bring over ..

Denise:
I heard 3 columns max, etc. 

Huh? perhaps on iphones?

But it is certainly no big deal as to when you upgrade ...

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:16 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

  1. "Customization of the Explore section is coming soon." https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173890/1003981.aspx#1003981 
  2. This is being discussed internally; no plans have been announced yet.
  3. Under "Upcoming Features" in the Notes FAQ; no release date announced.

Can someone explain specifically how to go back to 7 on a MacPro? I'm a FL Connect member and downloaded 8 for free, but I don't have the time or desire to work through this rollout which actually loses functionality, and then have to wait an unspecified amount of time to maybe get back the functionality I currently had in 7. I don't ever use the web app, don't see the use or need. I purchased the desktop version for a reason--maximum functionality. I don't need or want a stripped down version. I'm not upset at all, just wasn't expecting a beta version to be released. I'd be glad to switch to 8 if/when all the functionality of 7 makes it way into 8. Until then, I just want to do what all I was able to do 48 hours ago. Thanks!

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doc:
they are custom reading plans, setup to use ESV, but when I click on the reading card it takes me to JPS I think.

If you reset your Bible Reading Plan layout, does it start working correctly? If you have customized that layout, then it will use the Bible you specified in the layout, rather than the Bible in the reading plan.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 31 2018 1:13 AM

Matthew:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

  1. "Customization of the Explore section is coming soon." https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173890/1003981.aspx#1003981 
  2. This is being discussed internally; no plans have been announced yet.
  3. Under "Upcoming Features" in the Notes FAQ; no release date announced.

Can someone explain specifically how to go back to 7 on a MacPro? I'm a FL Connect member and downloaded 8 for free, but I don't have the time or desire to work through this rollout which actually loses functionality, and then have to wait an unspecified amount of time to maybe get back the functionality I currently had in 7. I don't ever use the web app, don't see the use or need. I purchased the desktop version for a reason--maximum functionality. I don't need or want a stripped down version. I'm not upset at all, just wasn't expecting a beta version to be released. I'd be glad to switch to 8 if/when all the functionality of 7 makes it way into 8. Until then, I just want to do what all I was able to do 48 hours ago. Thanks!

As I understand since you are a connect member you don't have any choice.  I believe Phil Gons said on 5th Nov all connect users would be forced on to the new notes tool and that implies you will be automatically upgraded to Logos 8 if you hadn't done so already.  FL has really misread what users wanted when it comes to Logos 8 interface, they only listened to the portion of users who wanted change and did not listen to all users - but that is typical of FL, they only listen to users who are telling them what they want to hear.

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