Sermon Templates?

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Joshua Umbriaco | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2018 12:56 PM

In Logos 7, I used a trick by Morris Proctor in order to create a "Sermon Document" template.  I created a "Note" which I aptly named "Sermon Template" with my desired template fields as notes, and then I "saved as sermon" that note each week as a new Sermon Document to build a new sermon.  Now in Logos 8, the feature to "save as sermon" in the Notes has been removed or changed.  Is there a way (or trick) in Logos 8 to create a sermon template?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 1:24 PM

Joshua Umbriaco:

In Logos 7, I used a trick by Morris Proctor in order to create a "Sermon Document" template.  I created a "Note" which I aptly named "Sermon Template" with my desired template fields as notes, and then I "saved as sermon" that note each week as a new Sermon Document to build a new sermon.  Now in Logos 8, the feature to "save as sermon" in the Notes has been removed or changed.  Is there a way (or trick) in Logos 8 to create a sermon template?

This is not currently available but it is on their list of things to implement in the future.

#13 on the list https://www.logos.com/faq/notes 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 1:31 PM

Joshua Umbriaco:
Is there a way (or trick) in Logos 8 to create a sermon template?

No there isn't. It is the list of features to be added but FL hasn't provided any guidance on when it can be expected.

There are three things you could do that I can think of:

1. Make a copy of one of your Sermon templates that you've already created, then delete the specific sermon information, and use the blank form each week. That, of course, won't let you use Notes to fill in the information.

2. Revert to using the old notes system. See here.

3. Experiment with the new Expository Sermon Workflow in L8. This only guides preparation but you may find it helpful.

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 1:34 PM

Mark Smith:
3. Experiment with the new Expository Sermon Workflow in L8. This only guides preparation but you may find it helpful.

This was my first thought. Could a custom workflow serve as a template to more effectively execute a sermon template?

If anyone out there has attempted good custom workflows - please do share! I may have to toy around with this idea to see if it works for my Personal writing systems. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 1:40 PM

Joshua Umbriaco:
Is there a way (or trick) in Logos 8 to create a sermon template?

Something similar is being discussed here - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/174901.aspx 2 Faithlife employees have responded, so it is on their radar. However, it may be a while. 

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
We have plans to add "Send these notes to Sermon" functionality in the Notes tool, which could support the kind of draft-creation scenario you suggest. This is really good idea, but it will be a while before we are in a position to implement it. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 1:49 PM

Richard Villanueva:
If anyone out there has attempted good custom workflows - please do share!

I have whiteboarded my workflow and noted the steps from "Expository Sermon Preparation" and "Passage Exegesis" that I will incorporate but have not had the time to do all the copy and pasting. It would be GREAT if I could edit the "Expository Sermon" Workflow and save it as "My ESP Workflow", but I haven't seen a way to edit an existing workflow.

This page at Documents.logos.com has some shared workflows - https://documents.logos.com/allusers?offset=0&sortType=Date&sortOrder=Descending&privacy=All&documentKind=workflowtemplate 

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 2:22 AM

Joshua Umbriaco:
Is there a way (or trick) in Logos 8 to create a sermon template?

If you can get Custom Labels to work in L8, there is an easy trick I used in L7.

  1. Dump all your Templates in a Word Document.
  2. Create a Personal Book from that document.
  3. Create a Custom Style in Highlighter with a Label "Sermon Outline" (Select: This style implies a label)
  4. MarkUp each Template in your Personal Book with this Label "Sermon Outline"
  5. In the Future you just need to do the following
    1. Right Click in your Personal Book and Select the Label
    2. Select Send to Sermon
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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 5:23 AM

David Thomas:
I haven't seen a way to edit an existing workflow.

I made a copy of the Expository Sermon Preparation Workflow for myself, but after I published it I realized that not all packages does have this Workflow and me publishing it will be wrong. So I withdrew the document from sharing. If Logos allows me to publish a copy for user customization I will do so.

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 8:28 AM

I actually rediscovered an old trick while working, just thought to share it here. I once used Copy Bible Verses to create Templates. Here is a sample to give an idea:

%NoCharFormatting
%NoRedLetter
%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation
%HeaderStyle

=Header
<b>Step 1: Study the Text</b><p>
<b>I. Seeing</b>  
 <b>A. Observe Words</b>
  <i>1. Long words</i>
  <i>2. Unusual words</i>
  <i>3. Repeated words</i>
 <b>B. Observe Relationships</b>
  <i>1. Grammatical relationships</i>
  <i>2. Logical relationships</i>
  <i>3. Chronological and/or geographical relationships</i>
  <i>4. Psychological relationships</i>
  <i>5. Contextual relationships</i>
  <i>6. Relationships in genre</i>
<b>II. Seeking</b>  
 <b>A. Asking Questions</b>
  <i>1. Questions for words</i>
  <i>2. Questions for relationships</i>  
 <b>B. Answering Questions</b>
 <b>C. Analyzing Answers: “Five Tests”</b>
  <i>1. Authenticity</i>
  <i>2. Unity</i>
  <i>3. Consistency</i>
  <i>4. Simplicity</i>
  <i>5. Honesty</i>
 <b>D. Applying Answers</b>
  <i>1. What kind of application?</i>
  <i>2. What is the application?</i>
  <i>3. What is the legitimate basis of the application?</i>
  <i>4. How can I leave the audience sure that the authority of the text is the basis for this application?</i>

<b>Step 2: Structure the Text</b>

<b>Step 3: The Central Proposition of the Text</b>

<b>Title of Passage</b>
[FullPassageRef]

<b>Paraphrase or Translation</b><p>
=ForEachVerse
<p>v. [VerseNum]: [VerseText]

=Footer
<p><p><b>Central Proposition of the Text</b>
<b>Theme:</b>
<b>Thrust:</b>

<b>Full Statement:</b> The full statement of the CPT puts the theme and thrust in one sentence.

<b>Outline</b>

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 8:31 AM

Pieter J Kotze:
If Logos allows me to publish a copy for user customization I will do so.

I appreciate your integrity and respect for the hours that Faithlife has invested in bringing this tool to us.

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 9:39 AM

This was the wrong topic sorry.

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Joshua Umbriaco | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 8:20 PM

Pieter J Kotze:

I actually rediscovered an old trick while working, just thought to share it here. I once used Copy Bible Verses to create Templates. Here is a sample to give an idea:

%NoCharFormatting
%NoRedLetter
%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation
%HeaderStyle

=Header
<b>Step 1: Study the Text</b><p>
<b>I. Seeing</b>  
 <b>A. Observe Words</b>
  <i>1. Long words</i>
  <i>2. Unusual words</i>
  <i>3. Repeated words</i>
 <b>B. Observe Relationships</b>
  <i>1. Grammatical relationships</i>
  <i>2. Logical relationships</i>
  <i>3. Chronological and/or geographical relationships</i>
  <i>4. Psychological relationships</i>
  <i>5. Contextual relationships</i>
  <i>6. Relationships in genre</i>
<b>II. Seeking</b>  
 <b>A. Asking Questions</b>
  <i>1. Questions for words</i>
  <i>2. Questions for relationships</i>  
 <b>B. Answering Questions</b>
 <b>C. Analyzing Answers: “Five Tests”</b>
  <i>1. Authenticity</i>
  <i>2. Unity</i>
  <i>3. Consistency</i>
  <i>4. Simplicity</i>
  <i>5. Honesty</i>
 <b>D. Applying Answers</b>
  <i>1. What kind of application?</i>
  <i>2. What is the application?</i>
  <i>3. What is the legitimate basis of the application?</i>
  <i>4. How can I leave the audience sure that the authority of the text is the basis for this application?</i>

<b>Step 2: Structure the Text</b>

<b>Step 3: The Central Proposition of the Text</b>

<b>Title of Passage</b>
[FullPassageRef]

<b>Paraphrase or Translation</b><p>
=ForEachVerse
<p>v. [VerseNum]: [VerseText]

=Footer
<p><p><b>Central Proposition of the Text</b>
<b>Theme:</b>
<b>Thrust:</b>

<b>Full Statement:</b> The full statement of the CPT puts the theme and thrust in one sentence.

<b>Outline</b>

  I'm very intrigued Pieter J Kotze!  where do I plug in this coding?

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 9:05 PM

Joshua Umbriaco:
I'm very intrigued Pieter J Kotze!  where do I plug in this coding?

Animated Instructions Logos 8

Textual Instructions Logos 8

  1. Documents Panel
    1. Select Public
    2. Filter Type: Copy Bible Verse Style
    3. Select: Copy Bible Verses for global Template (Sample)
    4. Click: Add to your docs
  2. Tools Panel (or Ctrl+Alt+B on Windows and goto Step 3)
    1. Search: Copy Bible Verses
    2. Click: Copy Bible Verses
  3. Copy bible Verses Tool
    1. Select the Style from the Style Dropdown
    2. To Edit Style, Click-Right on Style you want
    3. The Code is in the Code TextBox
    4. A Sample is at the Bottom

STEP 1

STEP 3.1

STEP 3.3-4

Hope this helps. Smile

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Joshua Umbriaco | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 9:54 PM

WOW!!! THIS WILL HELP!!!!  I think this is what I am looking for!  

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 9:55 PM

Glad I could help

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 9:55 PM

Glad I could be of assistance.

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 9:57 PM

Just a pointer. If you need to format a large body of text to create a template, use Excel, it's much faster than typing.

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Joshua Umbriaco | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:05 AM

Pieter J Kotze Yes! this will indeed work! Thank you so much!  You are one smart cookie!

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Joshua Umbriaco | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:47 AM

My template is a bit simple but this is what I have done with your tip/trick and I will use week in and week out:

%NoCharFormatting
%NoRedLetter
%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation
%HeaderStyle

=Header
<b><i><u>Introduction:</b></i></u><p>
<b><i><u>Transition:</b></i></u><p>
<b>Reading:</b> [FullPassageRef]

<b><i><u>Scripture Reading:</b></i></u>
=ForEachVerse
<p>v. [VerseNum]: [VerseText]

=Footer<p>
<b><i><u>Transition:</b></i></u><p>
<b>I. Main Point</b><p>
<b><i><u>Illustration:</b></i></u><p>
<b><i><u>Transition:</b></i></u><p>
<b>II. Main Point</b> <p>
<b><i><u>Illustration:</b></i></u><p>
<b><i><u>Transition:</b></i></u><p>
<b>So What?</b><p>
<b><i><u>Conclusion:</b></i></u><p>

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PJ | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 8:36 AM

The HelpFile doesn't describe a syntax for comments, but it seem to be possible to add a header to a style just for future Reference. This way if somehow you have a lot of Styles you know where it comes from or the purpose of it.

Style: 3 Point Sermon Template
Code: Jushua Umbriaco
Date : 15 Nov 2018

%NoCharFormatting
%NoRedLetter
%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation
%HeaderStyle

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